Vaccine fairness

[MozzchopsThirty]

AIBU to think we should be vaccinating all those of working age, BAME communities, younger vulnerable and healthcare workers first? Not in order of age

I am quite happy waiting patiently at the back of the queue.

I'm not high risk. DH and I stay home most of the time. DS is 6 so although at school there are minimual problems with that.

By the time it gets around to our turn, all the teething problems with the vaccination programme logistics will be gone.

We will probably have a better idea of issues with the vaccine and if there are any side effects.

The old people clogging up the NHS with covid cases will be vaccinated so health care issues that affect my age group will move up the agenda.

My Dad who has serious heart issues will be able to leave the house without fear unlike the last 9 months and might be able to see family even if they havent been vaccinated.

I don't know what the point in DH and I getting the vaccination before vulnerable people in care homes actually is.

Could someone enlighten me?

No. Absolutely not. It should definitely be those most vulnerable first.

based on the person’s usefulness to society
And who decides this?

There will always be someone who thinks it’s all unfair if they are last in the queue .

@Sargass0

Bert and Mildred have had long lives. We closed down the country for them, lost our livelihoods, our homes, messed about with our childrens' education & given ourselves a future tax burden and and national debt the likes of which hasn't been seen since WW2

People like Bert & Mildred were the generation that sacrificed their lives in order for any us of to have the freedoms that we have today

No, that’s actually very unlikely to be the case.

Anyone who fought in ww2 would be in their late 90s now, most likely over 100.

Far more likely that they are baby boomers who have benefitted enormously from the most favourable economic environment in recorded history.

@TikTokFinger

Agree with you OP. Bert and Mildred have had long lives. We closed down the country for them, lost our livelihoods, our homes, messed about with our childrens' education & given ourselves a future tax burden and and national debt the likes of which hasn't been seen since WW2. Luckily their triple locked pension income won't be affected. So yes, I'd give it to the the Economically Active first. Those who want it, that is. But given I'm not running the country (probably would have done a better job than the current buffoon in charge), my opinion is irrelevant.

That said, I won't be signing up for the vaccine until the side and after effects are more widely known and understood.
I feel like an AntiVaxxer rebel!

That said, I won't be signing up for the vaccine until the side and after effects are more widely known and understood

Well all the more reason for Bert and Mildred to get it first so we can test the watrs a bit. If they die from side effects it's no great loss to society, what with them not being economically active and leaching off the rest of us with their triple lock pensions.

I agree though its unpopular

It’s based on hospitalisation. So unless you tell the elderly they can’t get care you do this group first.

It’s not even empathy, although some have it and others don’t.

There are a lot of trolls about MN

@MozzchopsThirtyMozz is a particularly sick one.

This is seriously grim.

@Spidey66

I agree though its unpopular

OK, so what is your plan to ensure the NHS will cope if you don't vaccinate those most like to be hospitalised?

Christ. This covid thing has shown a lot of people's true colours.
Happily, if this thread is anything to go by, the majority think with our community in mind rather than with toddler level self centred-ness.

likely

Anyone who fought in ww2 would be in their late 90s now, most likely over 100.

National service continued, as did the British armed forces' involvement in wars/battles for long after the end of WW2, well into the 50's and early 60's. My FIL was conscripted in the 50s, stayed on in the forces, until the early 70s, seeing action in the Middle East and Cyprus.

A lot of trolls and a lot of selfish, ageist twats.

Fortunately these decisions are made based on clinical data by actual experts who have spent years studying epidemiology, rather than over-opinionated halfwhits on the internet.

If I ruled the world, everyone who stated that the elderly/vulnerable/people who weren’t like them shouldn’t be given the vaccine first would be put further to the back of the queue.

Care homes so family can visit plus staff. NHS staff who risk higher exposure. Then whoever they think is needed next.

@Retiremental

A lot of trolls and a lot of selfish, ageist twats.

The policy being discussed is in itself ageist, it specifically gives certain age groups Priority over others.

How can it be properly debated without referring to age?

It's frightening. There is another thread or eleven on MN where people are screaming that they won't get the vaccine because of Bill Gates etc. This one saying fuck the elderly, selfish boomer, let them die, I want the vaccine first.

This should be a happy day where we celebrate a pinprick of light at the end of the tunnel.

@AlternativePerspective

Fortunately these decisions are made based on clinical data by actual experts who have spent years studying epidemiology, rather than over-opinionated halfwhits on the internet.

If I ruled the world, everyone who stated that the elderly/vulnerable/people who weren’t like them shouldn’t be given the vaccine first would be put further to the back of the queue.

That's being kind. I'd strap weights to their ankles and drop them in the sea. (Feel free to delete MNHQ).

@NikeDeLaSwoosh

You're very literal aren't you?

I realize they have to work with broad categories to make this practicable.

But I do think that ethically a young mum of three aged 32 who is extremely clinically vulnerable should be vaccinated before someone in their 90s. The fact that they have so much more life to lose, and their family will undergo so much more suffering alone seems to make that a no-brainer.

It’s irrelevant whether Bert and Mildred are a lovely old couple or a regenerated Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.

The fact is that they are the ones most likely to be hospitalised, spread it in a hospital to staff and cripple the health service. Therefore Bert/Mildred/Ian/Myra must be first in the queue in order to protect the rest of society.

So the elderly are not worth saving, seems to be a few who think like this.

Let's hope there aren't any disruptions to our vaccine supply from Pfizer (in Belgium) anytime in the near future.