Vaccine fairness

[MozzchopsThirty]

AIBU to think we should be vaccinating all those of working age, BAME communities, younger vulnerable and healthcare workers first? Not in order of age

TheCats is that you Dominic? Wondered what you were up to?

I can a lot of people being refused a vaccine as “they’ve run out” like they do every year with the flu vaccine. YANBU OP, unpaid carers should be first too.

There’s always going to be someone who moans 🤨

They are vaccinating the elderly first as they are the most vulnerable (those in care homes), because of covid gets into a care home it can wipe out most of them pretty quickly. Why would a healthy middle aged person take priority over the elderly or front line workers?

@CMOTDibbler

They are vaccinating in order of 'most likely to die', and 'most likely to infect someone most likely to die'. Sounds totally fair to me

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It's order of clinical need. They have a good idea now of the type of co-morbidities that cause real difficulties with covid.
The list now is now even more tailored and many people included in the first advice are no longer deemed at high risk but medium risk.

Others are being added as more risk groups come to light, such as morbidly obese people regardless of age.

Age still remains the highest risk factor and this will mostly determine the order of vaccination.

It's right that front line staff are vaccinated. They stand to have the highest viral loads and therefore can become very ill. They can also be easy asymptomatic spreaders to non covid inpatients.

One of the things our NHS is good at is immunisation. It's like a finely tuned machine. Once the vaccine is available it will be administered almost instantly. It's what they do well.

@MozzchopsThirty

No it's not up to me

But the most likely to die are generally the most likely to die anyway, i think it's ridiculous.
I was talking to an elderly relative who agreed and the news just had a 92 year old woman on in her care hone saying she would rather her working son & family had it

You can all virtue signal as much as you like, but food producers, farmers, delivery drivers, police, teachers are keeping the country running, keeping us fed, giving the children an education and keeping us safe.
Mildred and Bert age 92 in bluebells home are not

Wow. So if you're most likely to die it's ok to let you do just that. What about care workers who also will have families? Have my very first

By vaccinating the weakest first, it will flag up any unexpected adverse effects the vaccine has more readily, as they'll be more likely to suffer. That way when the time comes for working age people to get it, it'll be clearer as to whether it's safe or not.

Quality trolling, OP.

And by the way, “virtue signalling” is what emotionally unintelligent people call empathy.

Contrmary and your medical degree is from...

Also the whole premise of op lacks logic.

PaddyFodder bloody do-gooders, caring about other people. What's is it for them?

I think they should do an advanced search on Mumsnet and anyone who has said “it’s just a cold” or “there are no excess deaths due to Covid” or “it’s just a fuss about nothing, I’m still having 12 relatives round for Christmas dinner” should go to the back of the queue.

You are being selfish. The order is designed to protect those most likely to die if they caught the virus. The list is set by independent medical ethics organisation.

Whichever group is vaccinated first, there will be arguments against.

Quite an outbreak of sanity here. Thank god. Thought my meds had transported me to a delusion of the Weimar Republic

Working age people don’t really need a vaccine at all unless they have health issues. If you don’t normally have flu vaccine you don’t need a covid vaccine.

Here we go, the Torygraph has already got a couple of articles saying that rich and working people of a certain type should get the vaccine before others.

Mildred and Bert age 92 in bluebells home are not

OMG shocking attitude, I don't want to invoke the Nazis but bloody hell!

We are a society that protects the vulnerable, the weak and old, even though they have outlived their usefulness. I can understand that an extremely old person dying is not the tragedy of a young person dying, but the attitude that they don't deserve to be protected is just shocking.

The younger half of our society have a miniscule risk of dying of Covid, it is extremely distasteful that some people in this category want to push the oldest members of our society out of the way.

You’re missing the point. We are all isolating because if too many Mildred and Bobs get it, hospitals and ICUs will be inundated and then the hardworking age people you talk about won’t be able to get routine treatments, won’t get treatment if in a car crash etc. Vaccinating the most at risk helps all of us, hospital capacity wise.

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Nothing about this virus is fair.
I wonder whether the OP would still feel this way if the virus was particularly lethal for children, they’re not economically active or contributing much? No of course she wouldn’t, a fair and compassionate society looks after it’s most vulnerable members.
One day we will all be Bert or Mildred.

Working age people don’t really need a vaccine at all unless they have health issues. That is so, so not true.

There are significant health risks if you do catch covid, such as long-covid, and long term damage to the lungs. And that happens at any age - for adults anyway, not in children. Where the hell have you been? there is such a lack of knowledge it's unbelievable.

Bert and Mildred have had long lives. We closed down the country for them, lost our livelihoods, our homes, messed about with our childrens' education & given ourselves a future tax burden and and national debt the likes of which hasn't been seen since WW2

People like Bert & Mildred were the generation that sacrificed their lives in order for any us of to have the freedoms that we have today

You think it's fair to vaccinate a young healthy worker but leave a vulnerable disabled person unvaccinate? One who may be incovenienced over one who will die? You need to go and look up what fair means as you clearly have no idea.

There should be a formula that calculates priority based on the person’s usefulness to society

That's disgusting. You and Hitler would get on well.