To be amazed they've released Mairead Philpott?

[MarylinMonrue]

After serving half her sentence for the arson attack? Apparently even a source from the prison was a shocked at the leniency and the fact she's going to get a new identity and protection. Six children in that fire - is there such a thing as justice in this country anymore?

@PigsInHeaven

If you have intelligence enough to mother 6 children .....

Unfortunately, it's very clear that getting pregnant repeatedly to an abusive man, and staying below the radar of social services does not require any significant intelligence. I can easily believe that MP possibly had low enough intelligence to believe that Mick Philpott's 'plan' to set fire to the front of the house and rescue the children in order to frame his ex, would actually work, and that if he said so, the children were not at grave risk.

This. All of this. So awful.

You can see at the press conference that she is absolutely broken and hope he counters on, thanking this person and that person as if he has been given an Oscar. Very occasionally he remembers to pretend to cry a bit, but she is absolutely wrecked with sobs throughout.

She doesn't have the intellect or the social or emotional intelligence. She did what she did to stay safe in the relationship.

Oh please. If she has the cognitive ability not to get herself run over every time she leaves the house, she knows not to set fire to a house with her own six kids in it. Whether she meant for them to die is irrelevant. She knew it was wrong and rightly went to prison for manslaughter.

SingANewSongChickenTikka

I didn’t say otherwise. One of the purposes of prison is retribution (punishment without other benefit). Therefore that is the benefit of her being in prison. Whether a person believes she has been punished enough is a debate distinct from that question.

Doesnt matter if she was groomed or abused or scared of him, she was complicit in killing six children, she should rot forever

[quote Foxinthechickencoop]@itsgettingweird no she shouldn’t have lied. But it’s very very common for victims to do this. Honestly so common. They are conditioned. And in my experience many people with learning difficulties lie. Just as much as those without. Small children do.... so there’s no reasoning on that point.[/quote]
Many people with learning difficulties do not lie 🙄

Would be worth educating yourself.

For a start someone with such a low IQ they cannot be held responsible for their actions or people think it explains them probably couldn't lie.

My son has a disability and some specific learning difficulties and he doesn't lie. He can't understand why people lie.

@Bupkiss

YABU

Mick Philpott can rot. But Mairead is his victim.

This is what male violence and abuse is. This is what is does to women and children. The bloodlust on this thread is sickening.

That is a terrifying viewpoint that people actually think like this. The only victims in this are the children who have died.

She is far from a victim . ODFOD.

@flaviaritt

SingANewSongChickenTikka

I didn’t say otherwise. One of the purposes of prison is retribution (punishment without other benefit). Therefore that is the benefit of her being in prison. Whether a person believes she has been punished enough is a debate distinct from that question.

Whether a person believes she has been sufficiently punished is of no relevance.

What matters is the law.

@isadoradancing123

Doesnt matter if she was groomed or abused or scared of him, she was complicit in killing six children, she should rot forever

And the next woman who’s abused and groomed and scared of her partner? Should we just wait until they kill someone? Or should we look at the ways abuse affects behaviour and try to stop it before there are more victims?

@GroundAlmonds
So because she sobbed following the deaths of her children that she was complicit in, she's not guilty? If Mick would have cried would that have been OK?

She is far from a victim . ODFOD.

What would you call someone who was raped and beaten almost daily? Who was forced to give sexual favours to her husband’s friends? Of course she was a victim.

@Pumperthepumper, this is irrelevant here.

What we are asking is whether Mairead should be released. We can't shut the door after the horse has bolted.

Whether a person believes she has been sufficiently punished is of no relevance.

Didn’t say otherwise.

@Pumperthepumper she was complicit in the murder of her children. She is not a victim. I'm not saying what she went through is right but lots of murderers and criminals experience abuse. Doesn't make them victims . The only victims in these are her poor children.

If she's released on licence if she were form a relationship she would be obliged to inform her offender manager ...

And just how high do you suppose the chances are of her doing that?
Even if we leave aside the "low IQ" and the implication that she wouldn't understand the requirements, the type of person she's likely to gravitate to is hardly going to encourage her in this

[quote Wheresmykimchi]@Pumperthepumper she was complicit in the murder of her children. She is not a victim. I'm not saying what she went through is right but lots of murderers and criminals experience abuse. Doesn't make them victims . The only victims in these are her poor children.[/quote]
Of course it makes them victims! That’s ridiculous. She absolutely was complicit in their murder. She was still a victim.

lol "forced to give sexual favours to her husbands friends"!!??

she continued the relationship with the third person jailed for this fire....from behind bars....her own choice!!

I think it is possible for her to be both vulnerable and dangerous

'What would you call someone who was raped and beaten almost daily? Who was forced to give sexual favours to her husband’s friends? Of course she was a victim.'

Yes a victim of domestic violence. However that does not excuse her involvement in the murders of her children which some seem to think it does. Apologisers I think we call them.

what kind of life did Mick have growing up? he's maybe abused and mentally ill too....and vulnerable

did he have the perfect upbringing?

Completely disgusting that they have let her out at all. But less than half her sentence? No justice at all.

Murdered multiple children.

@Pumperthepumper but painting her as a victim makes us apologists. The word victim in itself implies that we should feel sorry for her and treat her differently than if she hadn't have been a victim of Mick's.

People need to remember that to be able to stand trial you need to be able to understand the difference between right and wrong. If you cannot do this, due to your learning difficulties you are deemed not fit to stand trial.

She was deemed fit to stand trial. So she knew the difference between right snd wrong. And she had sufficient iq to understand the risks associated with her actions and that what she was doing to cover it up, the whole sordid tale, was wrong when she was doing it. She has no excuse there.

She may not have meant for her children to die, but she knew what she was agreeing to and she knew the risks, and she also knew what she was doing and why when she attempted to cover up their murder.

That’s why she went to jail. And that’s why she stood trial.

@MrsShelton

lol "forced to give sexual favours to her husbands friends"!!??

she continued the relationship with the third person jailed for this fire....from behind bars....her own choice!!

PPs will tell you she didn't understand what she was doing , but I think that's stretching it a bit far.

@Bluntness100

People need to remember that to be able to stand trial you need to be able to understand the difference between right and wrong. If you cannot do this, due to your learning difficulties you are deemed not fit to stand trial.

She was deemed fit to stand trial. So she knew the difference between right snd wrong. And she had sufficient iq to understand the risks associated with her actions and that what she was doing to cover it up, the whole sordid tale, was wrong when she was doing it. She has no excuse there.

She may not have meant for her children to die, but she knew what she was agreeing to and she knew the risks, and she also knew what she was doing and why when she attempted to cover up their murder.

That’s why she went to jail. And that’s why she stood trial.

And this is why she shouldn't be let out.