To be amazed they've released Mairead Philpott?

[MarylinMonrue]

After serving half her sentence for the arson attack? Apparently even a source from the prison was a shocked at the leniency and the fact she's going to get a new identity and protection. Six children in that fire - is there such a thing as justice in this country anymore?

Look at the funeral cortege, the dedications , the headstones. It turns my stomach.

Belledan1 I don't have any particular knowledge of the law, but I thought that in some exceptional cases, like this one and a few others, there should be a judgement that is a notch up between manslaughter and murder such as "manslaughter with full knowledge" or some such to reflect the total absence of moral responsibility in these three adults.

But I've just done some research as a result of this thread and I was reminded that there are different types of manslaughter and I think (although other posters will know more about this) the judge has the power to set the length of sentence for each.

www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/Sentencing_Council,_'Manslaughter:Definitive_guideline'(published_31/7/18,_enforcement_date_1/11/18)

The following link explains that Mareid Philpott was convicted of involuntary not voluntary manslaughter, so it was judged by those who had access to all the evidence that she didn't have an intention to kill. And of the two types of involuntary manslaughter, she was convicted of having committed an "unlawful act" .

So given that you can get anything for manslaughter from a conditional discharge to life imprisonment and that the average murder sentence is about 16.5 years, then it appears she got a very stiff sentence. Not enough in my view but there we are.

ukcrime.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/mick-and-mairead-philpott-guilty-of-manslaughter-of-their-six-children/

And it's a mute point as it's too late after the DC are dead. As Mathsanxiety says, these serially abusive men, and domestic violence, needs to be picked up earlier and given more weight within the law so these highly manipulative offenders are not in a position where they can control, kill and abuse children, never mind their unfortunate female "partners".

I wonder if the same right-on middle class unease about inflicting judgements on the way other people choose to live (similar to the unease about being accused of racism in the Rotherham taxi driver child sexual exploitation cases) came in to play in this case? One quick look at Mick Philpott's criminal record should have put paid to any such qualms.

Well we can't bring those poor children back.

That's quite an assumption and also quite offensive.

Come on then @lovelovelove2020 - what is your position on Baby P’s vile excuse for a mother? Because if you’re one of the posters defending Mairead on the grounds of low IQ, troubled upbringing etc, then I don’t think it’s “quite an assumption” at all to think you would apply the same excuses logic to other despicable criminals.

WHERE was the real emotion for them just having had their family totally wiped out and another child critically ill in hospital?

This.

That you tube documentary was heart Breaking Mairead s sisters seemed very genuine.

I haven’t watched the documentary, but from what other posters have been saying it sounds like Mairead had a dreadful upbringing. This comment suggests though that she did actually have some supportive family around her.

On another thread at the moment there is absolute horror at a father hitting his son. Cries of 'yet more male violence' yet because Mairead is a woman people don't seem to be able or willing to believe that she is in any way guilty of failing her children in the worst possible way. There is too much sympathy for her and nowhere near enough for those children.

Very well said @Ohtherewearethen

But I think what I'm trying to say is that if you come from a normal, loving family, it's hard for you to understand the challenges for those who have been brought up in a way that is unimaginable for you

This , so very true
Is it bad I feel that these awful cases will always happen

The most critical part for me is his abysmally short sentence for what he did to his ex
Had they properly sentenced him them and locked him up this wouldn’t have happened
In fact the kids would never have even existed

Then we need to think are some families so bad that children shouldn’t be born into them

A bit too heavy for this time of day

Humans are the vilest animal bar none

Humans are the vilest animal bar none

Indeed.

I don’t think there is much sympathy for her, but people are asking for her to have a harsher sentence then the men involved presumably because she is a women and we expect better of women. We know human beings are capable of terrible things under coercive control just look at Nazi Germany. This behaviour was also successfully replicated during controversial psychological experiments. Philpott was always the dangerous one that is why he is still locked up.

@Dongdingdong

On another thread at the moment there is absolute horror at a father hitting his son. Cries of 'yet more male violence' yet because Mairead is a woman people don't seem to be able or willing to believe that she is in any way guilty of failing her children in the worst possible way. There is too much sympathy for her and nowhere near enough for those children.

Very well said @Ohtherewearethen

I said something similar on that thread. Male privelege indeed

It is male privilege though, you aren’t complaining about Mosley getting the same prison sentence as Mairead though. You want her to have a worser sentence because she is a woman.

@stairway

It is male privilege though, you aren’t complaining about Mosley getting the same prison sentence as Mairead though. You want her to have a worser sentence because she is a woman.

What a ridiculous comment 😂😂 I can't even be bothered to reply 😂

You do need to explain why it is a ridiculous comment though. I don’t see anything funny either. The judge decided their sentences based on the evidence. The reason she is released now is because of her behaviour in prison and because she was less responsible and less dangerous then Philpott. Nothing to do with men being discriminated against.

You do need to explain why it is a ridiculous comment though.

@stairway why does anyone need to explain the absolute bleeding obvious? Life is simply too short!

Well if you are bothering to reply at least bother to explain yourself.

New identity because outraged citizens think they can impose their own justice on people (mostly the women) who commit notorious crimes. I don't begrudge the new identity, which is clearly necessary, so much as the cost. Same for all the police overtime required to get the latest Public Enemy No.1 to court when mobs gather outside to throw stones at the prison van. Anyone who doesn't want money spent on perpetrators should try not to whip up outrage on social media. They were still at it with Mary Bell 30 years after the crime. What the hell for?

@stairway

You do need to explain why it is a ridiculous comment though. I don’t see anything funny either. The judge decided their sentences based on the evidence. The reason she is released now is because of her behaviour in prison and because she was less responsible and less dangerous then Philpott. Nothing to do with men being discriminated against.

I don't need to do anything . The situation isn't funny but you telling me I want a harsher sentence because she's a woman is, hence why I clearly realised there is zero point debating with you

@stairway

Well if you are bothering to reply at least bother to explain yourself.

I don't have to explain myself.

I didn't actually say it was discrimination. You said I was discriminating against women. I was simply replying to a PP who pointed out the irony of the hand wringing over male violence on another thread when they are doing nothing short of excusing Mairead here , and then spouting about male privilege.

I am not sure you understand what male privilege means, @Wheresmykimchi

I wonder why they didn't come to SS attention considering he had 2 live in partners 11 DC and was bragging on TV shows the lifestyle wasn't exactly healthy.
Unfortunately there are many families who wreck any chance a DC has from birth by allowing them to be feral.
There is a few around here DC out playing in the cold dark nights.

Its quite a leap from kids playing out to being feral to involving SS

But I agree with the sentiment @Emeraldshamrock, there is something badly wrong with some people.

I felt Philpott was definitely in charge, who would willingly live with her dh, his mistress and their dcs? I had thought the charges were for murder and I was correct but I hadn't realised the charges were changed to manslaughter in Dec 2012 before the trial.

In 2017 Bolland and Warren were both charged with the murders of the 4 Pearson dcs and the gf with manslaughter. Their sentences were 40 and 37 years with 21 for the gf. 20 months after the fire the dm died of her injuries, she'd never left hospital so the sentences could be reviewed to include the 5th murder. In both cases the men were violent, their motives were revenge, they used petrol at night in a house where dcs were sleeping, at best a home would be destroyed or damaged causing distress. The judge has left it to the prison authorities to review Philpott's sentence after 15 years. But this indicates the likelihood of how much higher the sentences would have been

Its quite a leap from kids playing out to being feral to involving SS
I mean DC who are out 14 hours daily with no supervision hail rain or snow can easily become feral.
I see them as teenagers it's sad as they never had a chance to reach their potential.

@mathanxiety

I am not sure you understand what male privilege means, *@Wheresmykimchi*

I am quite confident I do but feel free to tell me why you don't think I do?

Because of all your posts on the topic on this thread.

You seem to be gleefully using the phrase in order to question the fact that it exists.