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To be amazed they've released Mairead Philpott?

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MarylinMonrue · 29/11/2020 17:02

After serving half her sentence for the arson attack? Apparently even a source from the prison was a shocked at the leniency and the fact she's going to get a new identity and protection. Six children in that fire - is there such a thing as justice in this country anymore?

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Wheresmykimchi · 29/11/2020 22:53

@ZoeCM

I don't understand the posts about how her IQ was so low that she didn't know what she was doing, yet she's also no danger to society. Surely those claims are mutually incompatible? If she is cognitively impaired to the point that she genuinely didn't understand that her children could die if they were in the house when it was set on fire, isn't there every chance she'll do something equally dangerous once she's been released?
Exactly.
Wheresmykimchi · 29/11/2020 22:54

But @ZoeCM PPs will tell you it's okay cause she's not a danger to society just her own children Hmm

Wtfdidwedo · 29/11/2020 22:54

It's all a vicious cycle. Had those children survived and continued to grow up in such circumstances, would they have gone down similar paths to their parents? There needs to be a massive societal overhaul to get past the lasting effects of abusive relationships and chaotic childhoods.

ancientgran · 29/11/2020 22:54

There seems to be a disagreement in the papers about when they were arrested the second time. Some do say May and others say November.

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AuntieStella · 29/11/2020 22:56

I don't understand the posts about how her IQ was so low that she didn't know what she was doing, yet she's also no danger to society

The learning difficulties are relevant on looking at her vulnerability to an abusive man, and whether she was able to plan to leave him safely.

Seeing as he attempted to murder a previous partner who left him (leaving her with permanent injury, according to the CSR) and also stabbed that partner's mother; and the whole arson plan was in an attempt to bring the partner who had just left him into line, then it would take considerable planning and assistance to leave safely

GabsAlot · 29/11/2020 22:56

@ReallySpicyCurry

Recently I read a book about the Holocaust, in which there were accounts of the efforts women went to in order to save their children from death.

Even as these women were naked and being herded to the gas chambers, they were desperately trying to save the children - hiding their babies under piles of clothes, in buckets.

When they opened the doors of the gas chsmbers, they would have to prise the bodies of mothers and children apart, as even in the final moments, with no escape from the gas that was consuming them, the women still tried to shield the children.

Some of these women no doubt came from abusive homes and abusive marriages. They had suffered dreadful things at the hands of the Nazis. Still their last act was to protect their children.

Women today carry their children for miles across war zones, before crossing seas in rubber dinghys because they want to protect their children.

This woman was apparently able enough to care for six children, presumably therefore she knew right from wrong. Whatever nonsense he promised her or however much he threatened her, she was a piece of work herself to stand by while someone set fire to the house her six children were in.

She was clearly abused, and she shouldn't have been - that dreadful man should never have been allowed out from the first time he was in jail.

But it's an insult to the mothers who have been abused, threatened, beaten and raped and who have still protected their children even on the brink of their own deaths, to excuse her behaviour on those grounds.

She did a terrible thing, and as a result six children are dead. She broke the law, and she did it in the knowledge that what she was doing was wrong and dangerous, and that her kids would be the ones to suffer. She was given a prison sentence and she should not be allowed out half way through it, in order to live her life as a free woman.

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ancientgran · 29/11/2020 22:56

No, because he made the plan and made himself fully responsible for carrying it out. The law doesn't work like that, he can't take full responsibility if someone else was involved, or in this case 2 other people were involved.

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AlternativePerspective · 29/11/2020 22:59

It always amazes me that the right wing press(and some people on MN) are constantly so amazed when a prison sentence comes to an end or when the parole system is operated in the way prescribed by statute. People saying Mairead Philpott shouldn't have been let out are essentially saying that the law should have been changed just for that purpose. Changing the law in individual cases to pacify popular opinion is an incredibly dangerous path to venture down I don’t think she specifically should be kept in prison.

But what does it say about our society that child murderers are released in time to create more children to replace the ones they have murdered.

The system itself is wrong, and by virtue of her case currently being in the spotlight, she is a representative of that system.

FixItUpChappie · 29/11/2020 22:59

People saying Mairead Philpott shouldn't have been let out are essentially saying that the law should have been changed just for that purpose

I don't think people are only referring to this case. There is a lot of frustration, and cases like this highlight it, that generally the justice system seems to not do what citizens want it to do - be about justice for victims and about public safety. That is a very worthy conversation IMO

AlternativePerspective · 29/11/2020 23:01

PPs will tell you it's okay cause she's not a danger to society just her own children and since she murdered them she can no longer be a danger to them....

AuntieStella · 29/11/2020 23:02

@Handsoffstrikesagain - there's more: Mairead may have seen Mike as a 'saviour' - from the SCR "(M) was 17 years, 9 months at the time of (eldest child's) conception. The child was of a previous relationship and domestic violence within this relationship was evident, as she was living in a refuge in the county"

keeprocking · 29/11/2020 23:04

@Cygne

She knew he was starting a fire in a house where her six kids slept upstairs. She may not have lit the match or come up with the idea but she is just as to blame as him and should have been locked up for life.

I very much doubt that she thought for one moment that his idiotic plan wouldn't work. There are clearly different degrees of culpability here.

I doubt that he expected killing the children but that was the result and she was as much to blame as he was.
AlternativePerspective · 29/11/2020 23:05

I do wonder though why people are so against sterilisation of child murderers/abusers.

It’s not good enough to say that we would be taking away their human rights, their bodily autonomy etc. What human rights do the children they will go on to produce have? What choices do they have when they are either removed into the care system or abused until they are removed.

I am not a fan of the death penalty, but I do think there is a place for sterilisation because it prevents more victims from being created.

If you murder your children you shouldn’t have the right to try and try and try until you maybe get it right or until your age precludes you from having more.

And that should apply to both of them.

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HillaryWhitney · 29/11/2020 23:07

God of anybody says early release one more time Angry

She wasn't released early she was released at the halfway point of her sentence and will serve the rest on licence.

Yes our CJ system is far from perfect but christ what would you all prefer.

AlternativePerspective · 29/11/2020 23:09

Yes our CJ system is far from perfect but christ what would you all prefer. seventeen years should mean seventeen years. Not eight as long as you behave.....

Wtfdidwedo · 29/11/2020 23:11

@AlternativePerspective

Yes our CJ system is far from perfect but christ what would you all prefer. seventeen years should mean seventeen years. Not eight as long as you behave.....
There wouldn't be enough room in prisons or indeed staff to keep the prisoners in if everyone served full sentences. Prisons in the UK are not meant to be punishment, they serve to rehabilitate and ensure the offenders can safely rejoin society. Obviously this is not a perfect system.
x2boys · 29/11/2020 23:25

So I have been reading some newspaper articles I have found ,one in particular from another of Mick's son's , he claims Mairead sexually abused him from the age of 14 ,he also claims she had an abortion ,prior to this because she didn't think the baby was Mick's , I f these claims are true she's also an extremely manipulative person .

Lockheart · 29/11/2020 23:27

@AlternativePerspective

Yes our CJ system is far from perfect but christ what would you all prefer. seventeen years should mean seventeen years. Not eight as long as you behave.....
Her sentence IS 17 years. 8 in prison and the remainder on licence. She is STILL serving her sentence.

Her sentence hasn't been shortened. She is getting a 17 year sentence.

I'll say it again - don't confuse 'not being in gaol' with 'free'.

stairway · 29/11/2020 23:28

She’s not a very bright person, she didn’t realise creating a fire could kill her children. Her life is over regardless.

papaelf · 29/11/2020 23:31

@x2boys

So I have been reading some newspaper articles I have found ,one in particular from another of Mick's son's , he claims Mairead sexually abused him from the age of 14 ,he also claims she had an abortion ,prior to this because she didn't think the baby was Mick's , I f these claims are true she's also an extremely manipulative person .

That's doesn't fit with narrative of the thread, be prepared for the apologists to jump right on you. You are supposed to say 'poor poor mairead'

ZoeCM · 29/11/2020 23:33

The learning difficulties are relevant on looking at her vulnerability to an abusive man, and whether she was able to plan to leave him safely.

Seeing as he attempted to murder a previous partner who left him (leaving her with permanent injury, according to the CSR) and also stabbed that partner's mother; and the whole arson plan was in an attempt to bring the partner who had just left him into line, then it would take considerable planning and assistance to leave safely

But surely anything, ANYTHING, is better than helping your husband to burn your six children to death? What could Mairead possibly have been afraid of him doing that would be worse than that? Can you imagine how horrendous those children's final moments must have been?

I think the likeliest explanation is that Mairead cared more about keeping a man than she did about the lives of her own children. This is, unfortunately, not as unusual as you might think. Off the top of my head I can think of the mothers of Peter Connolly (Baby P), Alfie Lamb, and Amber Peat. And before anyone says that male violence is the main problem here -- I agree. But that doesn't mean that the mothers who colluded in the abuse of their own children didn't understand what they were doing. Some women have an obsessive fear of being single.

BilboBercow · 29/11/2020 23:36

No doubt Mairead was a victim of Philpott and she lowered herself to doing things I'm sure she never thought shed do.

That being said I don't think she should have been relesed so early. My sympathy for her is limited given her behaviour following the death of her six children. She wasn't broken, she was going to the pub, spending the donation money, she continued the relationship with the accomplice even after they were jailed. She exchanges smutty letters with various men.

That's hardly the behaviour of a woman who's haunted.