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To be amazed they've released Mairead Philpott?

874 replies

MarylinMonrue · 29/11/2020 17:02

After serving half her sentence for the arson attack? Apparently even a source from the prison was a shocked at the leniency and the fact she's going to get a new identity and protection. Six children in that fire - is there such a thing as justice in this country anymore?

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Icanflyhigh · 29/11/2020 22:34

@Dongdingdong she was definitely controlled by him, but she was feisty when it came to the kids.
He was the boss without a doubt, and though I think she was possibly subject to some coercion she was also very capable of being a nasty piece of work.
I'd say in my professional opinion she tried to have a good public image with the authorities, but when you witnessed her having a hair pulling slanging match at the school gates, it became very clear it was all an act.

Cygne · 29/11/2020 22:36

She knew he was starting a fire in a house where her six kids slept upstairs. She may not have lit the match or come up with the idea but she is just as to blame as him and should have been locked up for life.

I very much doubt that she thought for one moment that his idiotic plan wouldn't work. There are clearly different degrees of culpability here.

AlternativePerspective · 29/11/2020 22:38

but I meant it probably wouldn't have made any difference to Maireid herself ... as in any warnings would have been ignored because she "knew her man and he wasn't like that, honest" we see it on here all the time:

“My DH swears at me constantly, calls me a cunt and throws things when he’s angry. Last night he smashed up the kitchen because I didn’t have dinner ready when he got home. But these are just little things, he’s a lovely partner usually and a wonderful father to our DC.”

x2boys · 29/11/2020 22:39

What about the girlfriend @Icanflyhigh I assume social services were also involved with her children too as they all lived in the same house ?

itsgettingweird · 29/11/2020 22:40

Pumper I also agree that's not the best example but it's the one the judge gave alongside his narrative.

I think it's great we are having this conversation. Education around biased relationships is so good.

But I said upthread and stand by it that if she is capable of being manipulated (if you believe that stance) into risking her children lives (and I do believe she had no intention of them being harmed) then she needs to be in prison or a hospital and cared for and she is a danger to herself and society.

Wheresmykimchi · 29/11/2020 22:41

@Cygne

She knew he was starting a fire in a house where her six kids slept upstairs. She may not have lit the match or come up with the idea but she is just as to blame as him and should have been locked up for life.

I very much doubt that she thought for one moment that his idiotic plan wouldn't work. There are clearly different degrees of culpability here.

Not sure I follow your meaning but

She was competent enough to know how a fire works.

ReallySpicyCurry · 29/11/2020 22:41

Recently I read a book about the Holocaust, in which there were accounts of the efforts women went to in order to save their children from death.

Even as these women were naked and being herded to the gas chambers, they were desperately trying to save the children - hiding their babies under piles of clothes, in buckets.

When they opened the doors of the gas chsmbers, they would have to prise the bodies of mothers and children apart, as even in the final moments, with no escape from the gas that was consuming them, the women still tried to shield the children.

Some of these women no doubt came from abusive homes and abusive marriages. They had suffered dreadful things at the hands of the Nazis. Still their last act was to protect their children.

Women today carry their children for miles across war zones, before crossing seas in rubber dinghys because they want to protect their children.

This woman was apparently able enough to care for six children, presumably therefore she knew right from wrong. Whatever nonsense he promised her or however much he threatened her, she was a piece of work herself to stand by while someone set fire to the house her six children were in.

She was clearly abused, and she shouldn't have been - that dreadful man should never have been allowed out from the first time he was in jail.

But it's an insult to the mothers who have been abused, threatened, beaten and raped and who have still protected their children even on the brink of their own deaths, to excuse her behaviour on those grounds.

She did a terrible thing, and as a result six children are dead. She broke the law, and she did it in the knowledge that what she was doing was wrong and dangerous, and that her kids would be the ones to suffer. She was given a prison sentence and she should not be allowed out half way through it, in order to live her life as a free woman.

Wheresmykimchi · 29/11/2020 22:41

@itsgettingweird

Pumper I also agree that's not the best example but it's the one the judge gave alongside his narrative.

I think it's great we are having this conversation. Education around biased relationships is so good.

But I said upthread and stand by it that if she is capable of being manipulated (if you believe that stance) into risking her children lives (and I do believe she had no intention of them being harmed) then she needs to be in prison or a hospital and cared for and she is a danger to herself and society.

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veeeeh · 29/11/2020 22:41

The hidden things. All looks great from the outside, but reading some posts on here about control and abuse gives me the shivers.

ancientgran · 29/11/2020 22:43

I very much doubt that she thought for one moment that his idiotic plan wouldn't work. There are clearly different degrees of culpability here. Well I don't think he thought his idiotic plan would end with his children dead, if nothing else that wouldn't have achieved the purpose of getting a bigger house. Does that absolve him as well?

ancientgran · 29/11/2020 22:45

I'm not going to comment on the length of sentence served on her but the judge would have known the early release provisions. The judge said 17 years and she should serve at least half the sentence. I don't know if I'm losing it with arithmetic but if she got 17 years in 2013 and they are saying she has served 8 and a half years how are we still in 2020?

Wheresmykimchi · 29/11/2020 22:46

@ancientgran

I'm not going to comment on the length of sentence served on her but the judge would have known the early release provisions. The judge said 17 years and she should serve at least half the sentence. I don't know if I'm losing it with arithmetic but if she got 17 years in 2013 and they are saying she has served 8 and a half years how are we still in 2020?
Time served , at a guess
itsgettingweird · 29/11/2020 22:47

@ancientgran

I'm not going to comment on the length of sentence served on her but the judge would have known the early release provisions. The judge said 17 years and she should serve at least half the sentence. I don't know if I'm losing it with arithmetic but if she got 17 years in 2013 and they are saying she has served 8 and a half years how are we still in 2020?
Because they were on remand from 2012 and that time counts towards the sentence.

Under mick sentencing it states how many days of remand were included. Hers would be the same or very similar.

Cygne · 29/11/2020 22:47

It always amazes me that the right wing press(and some people on MN) are constantly so amazed when a prison sentence comes to an end or when the parole system is operated in the way prescribed by statute. People saying Mairead Philpott shouldn't have been let out are essentially saying that the law should have been changed just for that purpose. Changing the law in individual cases to pacify popular opinion is an incredibly dangerous path to venture down

Cygne · 29/11/2020 22:48

@ancientgran

I very much doubt that she thought for one moment that his idiotic plan wouldn't work. There are clearly different degrees of culpability here. Well I don't think he thought his idiotic plan would end with his children dead, if nothing else that wouldn't have achieved the purpose of getting a bigger house. Does that absolve him as well?
No, because he made the plan and made himself fully responsible for carrying it out.
AuntieStella · 29/11/2020 22:48

I don't know if I'm losing it with arithmetic but if she got 17 years in 2013 and they are saying she has served 8 and a half years how are we still in 2020?

You've not allowed for the year she spent inside on remand, which was decducted from the sentence

ancientgran · 29/11/2020 22:49

From what I can see they were arrested in November 2012, or at least he and Paul Mosley were, not sure how long after she was arrested, so even with time served that is only just 8 years, so 8 x 2 is 16 not 17.

Wheresmykimchi · 29/11/2020 22:49

@Cygne

It always amazes me that the right wing press(and some people on MN) are constantly so amazed when a prison sentence comes to an end or when the parole system is operated in the way prescribed by statute. People saying Mairead Philpott shouldn't have been let out are essentially saying that the law should have been changed just for that purpose. Changing the law in individual cases to pacify popular opinion is an incredibly dangerous path to venture down
I don't think I'm saying it should be changed based on my opinion. Grin

I'm saying they made the wrong decision granting parole.

Icanflyhigh · 29/11/2020 22:49

@x2boys I never met the girlfriend. The children that were living with her were all good school attenders, although I'm aware there was still agency involvement on a multi-agency level.

ZoeCM · 29/11/2020 22:49

I don't understand the posts about how her IQ was so low that she didn't know what she was doing, yet she's also no danger to society. Surely those claims are mutually incompatible? If she is cognitively impaired to the point that she genuinely didn't understand that her children could die if they were in the house when it was set on fire, isn't there every chance she'll do something equally dangerous once she's been released?

AuntieStella · 29/11/2020 22:50

From the sentencing remarks:

"The sentence I pass is one of 17 years imprisonment. Of that you will serve one half at which point you will be released on licence. If you commit any further offences during the operational period of the licence you will be liable to be recalled and may have to serve the balance of your sentence.
Any time that you have spent on remand will be deducted from the period you are to serve."

itsgettingweird · 29/11/2020 22:51

@Cygne

It always amazes me that the right wing press(and some people on MN) are constantly so amazed when a prison sentence comes to an end or when the parole system is operated in the way prescribed by statute. People saying Mairead Philpott shouldn't have been let out are essentially saying that the law should have been changed just for that purpose. Changing the law in individual cases to pacify popular opinion is an incredibly dangerous path to venture down
Not here.

I just do t believe she is safe in society. And others have also been released and have been proven not to be safe in society.

The whole system needs an overhaul.

ancientgran · 29/11/2020 22:51

I think they have miscalculated, they were originally arrested in the May but released. If they counted from the May it is 8.5 years but they weren't in custody from the May.

GabsAlot · 29/11/2020 22:53

people won't convince me on this one sorry they both need hanging

NeedToKnow101 · 29/11/2020 22:53

It's terrible that the justice/ probation system isn't joined up enough for him to have continued to get away with abusing young women terribly and bringing children into the equation. This is so fucked up.
Good that changes to this are put into place.