Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

No, not really. People have a right to protest peacefully. I was gobsmacked when the WHO said that they endorsed BLM protests but had said nothing about any other form of protest, and then the anti mask protesters were vilified. Who the hell are they to decide what people are and aren't allowed to protest?! It was wildly inappropriate and has set a very frightening precedent.

Don't get me wrong, I disagreed with the anti mask brigade about as much as it is possible to disagree, and I also disagree with the anti lock down protest, but it's either ok to protest or it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose when people are allowed a voice and when they must be silenced. I don't want to live in a society where the government decides what you can and can't protest. That is bloody terrifying.

Well, the far right are known for their intellect...

Why do you think they are far right? I know of quite a few people who are supportive and have attended similar protests who are very very much left, politically. They've said on their live streams how great it is that people from all over and from different political backgrounds have come together to fight for freedom.

@ MercyBooth
Id say people being locked down and being discouraged from putting their own families first and putting the safety of strangers they dont know first is the opposite of individualism personally
Expecting people to continuously put ppl they dont know , before their own children has a shelf life.

What an odd way of viewing things!
Surely the safety and well being of your family and my family, could be at grave risk UNLESS we give serious consideration to the safety of strangers and protect them as much as possible?
These 'strangers' include doctors, nurses, teachers fire fighters and numerous other essential workers that we need in order for society to continue to operate even semi efficiently.
Who do you think will treat you or your family in the event they fall seriously ill or have an accident. if these 'strangers' aren't available to work due to their own sickness?

But hey, you just carry on putting your own famiy first' because it's too unreasonable to expect you to consider strangers, even though many of them are working really hard to keep essential services going for the sake of YOUR family.

I'm more disgusted by the fact that it's currently illegal to protest. That's a bigger concern to me than this virus to be honest.

This.

I'm generally fairly pro-lockdown, although I'd have preferred earlier, harder, shorter. But I'm horrified at our "democracy" which no longer allows people to peacefully protest the government's actions, and the lack of parliamentary scrutiny

Im not saying people shouldn't protest about other things but this is a virus

They're not protesting against the virus. They're protesting against the restrictions. I don't agree with their demands for lockdown to be lifted, but it's disingenuous to claim that they're protesting the virus.

The staff on my ward seem to be alternating between working extra shifts and then having to self isolate 14 days due to contact tracing.

As the patients are particularly vulnerable they have to be strict. The young nurses are having a shit time as they can't have a social life between tier 3 and isolating, but they're getting on with it cheerfully, and not out protesting.

I'm sure they hate lockdown as much as anyone.

Saying that I do not want it to be illegal to protest. I hate the way the government has handled COVID, especially the disingenuousness and outright lying and cronyism, chumocracy and disaster capitalism.

Poor messaging, hypocritical cabinet members, burying Brexit impact under the whole shitshow. I could go on.

I do wish people wouldn't protest in person though because of spreading covid. They could write to MPs, and agitate on line if they want to make a point.

@Duemarch2021

Ok.. so lets just say.. people protest over minimum wage or other issues like that, the goverment have a big think and decide ok we'll have to split the pot somehow to change national min wage... protests win yay!!! ... in this circumstance... what do protesters expect to 'win'? The right to freedom? .. ok so the government say you win, we will pretend covid doesnt exist then and carry on as we were last year, open up all the pubs, schools and businesses and forget about covid..

What do you think will eventually happen?? Seriously?

Don’t be silly. The protests are not to get the government to “pretend COVID-19 doesn’t exist”. The protests are because free people want to get free to make their own decisions about whether to open their businesses, go to a restaurant, visit their mum, etc. You know, like you do every flu season, during a norovirus outbreak in your local area, during a measles outbreak and so on.

Shutting down gyms and cancelling medical screening appointments but allowing the sale of alcohol and cigarettes is all the evidence you need that this not about your health.

BritWife do you not believe the NHS will cease to function for non COVID care if we let people be free to choose what to do as you suggest? Or is that something that doesn't concern you? Genuinely interested in your view, trying to understand others reasoning.

Get use to the protests @Duemarch2021 because there will be many more to come with this controlling government.

I don’t agree with the protest but I stand by the right to have the freedom to do it (although it’s stupid to do so in the middle of a pandemic).

On previous posters asking why we haven’t increased hospital capacity - we have.

However, we can’t accelerate years of training for anaesthesiologists or ICU nurses into 10 months! That’s why medical staff have been diverted & retrained on vent techniques to cover the shortfall (but this means other services have been restricted/closed).

If memory serves, my friend’s anaesthesiologist husband took until his late 30’s to become a Consultant...

If we want to be angry, pour your vitriol on the multi billion pound businesses who have given their profits to shareholders, not covered the staff on the ground. BA, Arcadia Group & the others, I’m looking at you here. These industries have throttled pay to satisfy Shareholders (for years). They need to be made accountable as they’ve used their staff as cannon fodder this year.

Likewise, pour scorn on the the commercial property conglomerates who could easily suspend or reduce rents & fees for small companies but haven’t.

People have lost their jobs over corporate greed, not the virus.

Yabu, I think it's about time we stood up to the government.
I was very pro lockdown in March. I could see that the shit was about to hit the fan in February, and was shocked by the government dithering. I embraced the lockdown, to allow the gov to build the nightingale hospitals, to source the ppe, and to increase testing capacity. We needed lockdown then. We sacrificed our freedoms for months. But then the gov screwed us up for a poxy summer holiday.
Testing has increased, we have the beds, we know the best way to treat it, it's about time we took responsibility into our own hands now. This 4 week lockdown has been shit and not even worked where I am - we are going from tier 1 to tier 3!! 4 weeks of sacrifice for what?? I'm glad the politicians are rebelling and rightly so, and I'm glad people are out on the streets protesting. Enough is enough.

@Lazypuppy

Nope, i'm pleased people are starting to stand up against these restrictions

Me too, if there were any close to where I am, I'd join in.

I've seen far to many colleagues and client we work with lose their jobs.

I'd be more.disgusted if people were.not able to.protest in a democracy

This pandemic has affected people so differently. I’ve worked throughout (teacher) and so I don’t feel my life has changed all that much. I can understand the frustration and hurt for people who have been stuck at home throughout this, particularly those who have been impacted financially. That said, I don’t feel the protest is the right way to go and I don’t think mass public gatherings are a good idea right now.

We’ve also gone from tier 1 to 3 Hippo.

I am disgusted that the government has passed a law, which effectively prevents peaceful protests. The new laws, such as who you can have in your home are deeply worrying. Personally I think it’s foolhardy to attend the protests. But the right to protest, I’m for that.

Also, you're not still believing the whole 'if you're good we'll give you back your freedoms, we promise? Oh you've been naughty so it's lockdown 3 for you!" lie are you? I saw through that back in April, I thought it was pretty obvious by now the govt is pitting people against each other.

SunflowerButterfly I hate to break into your dystopian fantasy, but where I live, we've been through a long lockdown with severe restrictions, and unbelievably we have a normal life back. Everything bar international travel has been returned. Better luck next time.

@Whoopsmahoot

You can’t argue with stupid. Ignore them or you will get yourself in a stew over it. They’re twats. Just do what you need to do to keep yourself and family safe.

That's my approach too.

@Tolleshunt

Have 58000 people committed suicide directly due to covid restrictions Delphine? That is a shocking figure if so!

It’d be interesting to tot up the increased suicides from the start of lockdown until the economic and social ramifications are over (some years in the future), and also the extra deaths from cancer, heart attack, stroke, stillbirth (doubled since lockdown) and all the other needless deaths caused by the NHS basically shutting up shop for anything other than Covid.

Taken all together I can imagine they might well overtake Covid deaths.

Look at the excess death figures and compare with covid death figures. Statistics that are available to anyone who deals in facts. Covid has killed thousands All those that say lockdowns aren’t worth it....take a proper look at modelling based on r>1.1-1.5 and then see how many more excess deaths there would have been Yes, track and trace and uk gov handling of testing has been crap...but lockdowns do work. Remember lockdowns are there to prevent NHS becoming overwhelmed- nothing else. Just that. If NHS cannot cope many many more people will die of anything and everything.

Since the chance of catching and dying from this virus by standing with a group of others outdoors is practically zero, YABU.

Society is slowly turning into a horrible, totalitarian dystopia all for a virus with a 99.8% survival rate, based on dodgy data. It's complete madness.

This in fecking spades!

Our government are completely useless, I feel like we're in some dystrophin nightmare. Boris doesn't have a clue I've followed the rules I've done everything I've been asked to but this lasted tier system is ridiculous. So yes protest, more people should stand up too.

@Lazypuppy

Nope, i'm pleased people are starting to stand up against these restrictions

You might not be so pleased were you mourning 11 dead relatives and close friends as I am.

Not something I’d do but I do agree peaceful right to protest should stay in tact in a democracy.

Has it changed? I thought not but maybe a link from pp who has seen it has would be good

dystopian bloody auto correct

Op did you feel total outrage when the protests happened in the summer you know the ones where people were mindlessly ripping down statues

You mean the racist statues of slave traders and the like @epcot15? Damn right they should have been ripped down, it was long overdue!

Society is slowly turning into a horrible, totalitarian dystopia all for a virus with a 99.8% survival rate, based on dodgy data. It's complete madness.

If it's dodgy data then how can confidently state it has a 99.8% survival rate?