Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

I'm so sick of demands to end lockdown when it only protects " a few".

As though their deaths don't matter that much. They do and the vulnerable are numbered in millions not "a few". If lockdown ends, the hospitals will soon be overwhelmed.

And many people are now suffering from "long covid", my son being one. The fewer people who get infected the better and lockdown is the best way to achieve this as the terminally stupid are ignoring basic safety measures - as witnessed by house parties and the fools at the demo last weekend.

@Jumbogirl

I think what IS disgusting isn't protests but people's lifesaving treatment being stopped while Nightingale Hospitals are empty. And politicians who are flirting with mandatory vaxxing against people's wishes. So yes - all power to the protestors. And shame on the media for not covering them properly or even allowing comments on the story as in the Guardian.

The joke is of course that there's much crazy talk about mandatory vaccination. However, in the same breath we're being told that under 50's or other 'low risk' groups will not be getting vaccinated

I wish the government would make its mind up. Either I need it forcably to save me from certain death or I'm too low risk of death to need it. FFS

The joke is of course that there's much crazy talk about mandatory vaccination. However, in the same breath we're being told that under 50's or other 'low risk' groups will not be getting vaccinated

But where is the crazy talk of mandatory vaccination? Social media? I’ve read actual news reports that potentially certain airlines might require evidence of vaccination, but that doesn’t equate to compulsion. I think it’s likely that some countries would insist on it, but again you still have a choice. The vaccination schedules I’ve seen published don’t say under 50s and low risk groups won’t be vaccinated, they show them at the bottom of the priority list. How could anyone argue with that? I do think that there are some very serious questions to be answered but stirring the pot for the sake of it is starting to get tedious.

Regarding the mandatory vaccine, this is in the MSM. Mandatory vaccination has not been ruled out within the UK, and various gov members have been asked about it and are not answering.

According to the BMJ: Mandatory vaccination, including for COVID-19, can be ethically justified if the threat to public health is grave, the confidence in safety and effectiveness is high, the expected utility of mandatory vaccination is greater than the alternatives, and the penalties or costs for non-compliance are proportionate.

You only have to look at the way things are being imposed now. Even forcing a law so people cannot protest about it. It will be mandatory, of that I am sure.

@LEELULUMPKIN

No I am not disgusted and nor should you be OP.

We still live in a free country and it is their right as it is the right of any other movement such as BLM, climate change, etc, etc, etc.

Agreed. I don't agree with them but we need the right to protest

If tens of thousands, even potentially hundreds of thousands, of people all start dying in a relatively short space of time. How are we supposed to cope with it?

Genuine question - what if they don't? The virus was in the country at least 4 - 5 months before the gov decided to lock everybody in their homes. We had no mass deaths from the summer when people were at beaches or protesting in cities. We haven't had mass deaths from the eat out to help out scheme etc. Why would people start dying now, dropping like flies, when they didn't before?
The predicted 4000 a day didn't happen, even the figures on lock down part 2 were debunked the following day. There is also a massive difference to people dying OF covid and dying WITH it. We know deaths were put down to covid when it was untrue, all of which was reported in the media. These are things that people are wondering.
Insulting one another, calling them scum, or stupid, or saying they shouldn't get NHS treatment or should be put in to MH facilities etc, what is that going to achieve?

@Mamanyt

HMMMMMM...I cannot get an image to post, however, look up images of smallpox. Now, the question becomes, "IF COVID-19 looked like that, rather than being "invisible" symptoms, would we even be having this discussion at all? Would ANY of us even think of breaking restrictions?

Smallpox also had a fatality rate of 35%. Not comparable to Covid in any way, shape or form. Harsher measures would be more proportionate in those circumstances but you’d probably also have a high level of self policing.

That said I do broadly support current restrictions but removing the right to protest is a dangerous, slippery slope. It’s all very well when you disagree with them on what they are protesting about but what if they removed the right to protest on an issue you did feel strongly about?

And the government have made a hash of this. If these latest measures go ahead then by the end of them it will have been over a year since we have been allowed to mix in our own private dwellings with people. That’s a huge infringement of civil rights. Whether it matters to you or not it still is. It may be justifiable on public health grounds but the government should be forced to publish accurate information and projections to demonstrate that. Not “next slide please” and their made up figures which they produce to scare people into compliance. Was the “4000 deaths a day” scenario not admitted to be wrong almost as soon as the current English lockdown was imposed?

Public Health England hasn't classified Covid as a high-consequence infectious disease due to its relatively low case fatality rate.

The death rate is estimated at 7.8% in people aged over 80, but at 0.0016% in children aged nine and under. 99% of survive in general.
That is a tiny risk. We don't know the long term risks of the vax.

So yes I sure as hell support people's right to protest.

@whiterabbitsweets exactly. And my sons business (and many others in the same kind of niche) have zero transmission or don't even feature on the list! Yet they're the ones who've suffered the most during both lockdowns as even when hospitality was allowed to reopen, the beauty sector wasn't!

@Krampusnacht

I've not visited many pubs/restaurants but the ones I have, have gone to huge lengths and financial cost to ensure customer safety. Looking at the graph suggests that they've done a brilliant job. Yet they're being penalised again.

My hairdresser is the same. She works from home on her own. Only one person is allowed in at any time. She has a 20-30 minute disinfect period between clients and she's fully ppe'd and uses track/trace. I don't know what else she can do tbh.

I'm so sick of demands to end lockdown when it only protects " a few".
As though their deaths don't matter that much. They do and the vulnerable are numbered in millions not "a few"

The same can be said for people who are not getting urgent treatments or people who have lost their job and very little chance of finding an other one...
There are many different groups of "vulnerable", only one seems to matter on MN.
The protesters are just a different type of vulnerable who need to ensure their voice is herd as well. Good for them.

I think it's important that we can still protest and we have a balance between refusal to do anything and completely rolling over and accepting whatever crap is thrown at us.

@Neron exactly, the fact that people don’t put that together baffles me. Lockdown was issued on the threat of mass deaths, but that didn’t happen even when the virus was running rampant, particularly in December which is traveling and flu season.

What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win
Fat chance - but we should still be able to protest.

The government could say fuck it do what you want... but what would happen then?

Well, what would happen then is we would do what we want.

It's us who elected them remember, not the other way round!

Personally I feel as a country we should currently abide by the lockdown or tier rules, to protect our family and friends. The whole reason for these rules is to ensure the NHS is not overloaded with COVID cases. Would we really want family member or friend in need of urgent treatment for a non COVID case being told they have no beds available?

This is exactly what the government have done though, given into the protesters and allowed the 3 households to meet indoors over the Christmas period, they knew people were going to ignore advice anyway so tried to retain a bit of control by relaxing the rules for 5 days. Which will then lead people to think it’s ok to do the same for New Years, when invariably they will relax the hospitality rules so end of January when the r rate is the highest it has been I don’t know what happens. I think it’s always going to be a fight between economy and health ping ponging in and out of lockdown

It’s not total unreasonable to be furious as it’s a bloody stupid thing to protest

BUT

They should still be allowed the legal right to make that protest. Idiotic or not.

It’s difficult because if you (even ore covid) protested in a way that could cause harm to others you lose that right, and with covid in place mass protests ARE going to cause harm. But a blanket ‘you can’t protest’ is a bit much.

They tend to be people who don’t personally know anyone who’s died of it, therefore underestimate the threat (in other words, not very bright?)

This is exactly what the government have done though, given into the protesters

CRAP. The Christmas relaxation of rules was known about weeks ago. Nice try though. They have relaxed them because MPs and advisors etc want to see their OWN families without having yet another Barnard Castle type scandal
At a press conference Hancock was asked by a journo what his plans were for Christmas. He replied hes having his FIL over. BBC News asked Gove what his plans were. Hes going to Scotland.

I have also yet to see any threads about Laurence Fox or Rita Ora. Its beginning to look an awful lot like some posters think the rules are only for the "plebs"

you're very brave starting on this topic i think some people would think different if they were keyworkers and had relatives and friends being ill or dying but I think people can do what they want but make sure they are getting there information from a reliable source

People are angry & very rightly so. Our human rights are being stripped away right in front of our eyes. We need more protests imo.

No, it makes my heart sing! It's about time people are starting to realise the destruction this nonsense is causing. Destruction to humanity and the human race for a virus with an IFR of just over 1% so good for them I say. Hope to see more and more of this! (Actually these have been going on for months and months but the media, for some reason, hasn't reported on it). hmm

Totally agree. 100%. Note the media also keep quiet about Sweden.

Would we really want family member or friend in need of urgent treatment for a non COVID case being told they have no beds available?

That’s exactly what’s happening. Increasing numbers of untreated cancers and cardiac conditions. Thousands of lives will be lost unnecessarily in years to come because of this. But apparently they don’t matter.