Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

@whiterabbitsweets thank you.

It seems to me there are quite a few 'deniers' on this thread, and not the Covid kind.

I'd like to live in a place that respects the right to life - including for the elderly and disabled.

Somewhere that shows gratitude to our hardworking healthcare staff - instead of adding to their pressure and trauma.

Oh - and somebody mentioned BLM earlier.
They didn't deliberately try to spread Covid. Unlike the right wing groups behind these recent 'protests'. BLM wore masks AND their protests took place over the summer at a time when cases were low.

@Unsure33
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What I want to know is why the media report in this and not the fact that a hospital in West Midlands is a crisis point and the average age of patients with covid on ventilators is now in their 40s

I think you're talking about the hospital I work in.
I've been saying for weeks that it is being downplayed where I am and we are smack bang in the middle of a huge crisis.
We have loads of 30s too.

I feel like although we know more about it the demographic has changed massively and it does not discriminate.
All this " working age" crap is terrifying.
The complacency is disgraceful.

I'd also like to live in a place where people didn't want to drag out the pandemic. Where effective containment action was taken.

It seems these 'protestors' don't want to have what other countries have - everything open as normal. Instead they prefer to prolong it all - including cancelled hospital appointments and school closures (due to staff sickness).

@MyPersona

No, it makes my heart sing! It's about time people are starting to realise the destruction this nonsense is causing. Destruction to humanity and the human race for a virus with an IFR of just over 1% so good for them I say.

You wouldn’t consider an unchecked virus with an R0 of +3 and an IFR of over 1% destructive to humanity then? You don’t think that deaths on that scale would have a fairly negative effect on the global economy or the mental health of the population?

Twats.

Oh dear. You really haven't got a clue have you? Poor thing.

MercyBooth Painting working class people as something they arent. There is your parallel

OK. I take your point about the working class. But the lockdown protestors are not working class are they? I'm not sure this is about class analysis anyway.

[quote Carrotcakeforbreakfast]@Unsure33
:20Unsure33

What I want to know is why the media report in this and not the fact that a hospital in West Midlands is a crisis point and the average age of patients with covid on ventilators is now in their 40s

I think you're talking about the hospital I work in.
I've been saying for weeks that it is being downplayed where I am and we are smack bang in the middle of a huge crisis.
We have loads of 30s too.

I feel like although we know more about it the demographic has changed massively and it does not discriminate.
All this " working age" crap is terrifying.
The complacency is disgraceful.[/quote]
This.

The freeeedoomm (to distress NHS workers, attack the police, and risk lives and economy) lot are thankfully a small minority. The 'protests' Spread Covid Mission comprised a motley crew of a couple of hundred at most.

The media coverage has been disproportionate.

It's long been the case that people in their 30s and 40s are being hospitalised with Covid (and therefore would likely die if hospitals were full). Yet it's being glossed over. Long Covid too.

Definitely downplayed. It's almost as if, knowing the shameful ageism and ableism that blights modern society, somebody wants the public to (mistakenly) think Covid affects 'only the elderly and disabled'.

Krampusnacht Are you saying I'm mistaken?? Lying?? I assure you I'm not

No, I'm saying that has not been my experience or those who I know. I could give you just as many anecdotes about people receiving treatment and people who are scared their treatments won't go ahead if the health service collapses or people who are scared medication won't be delivered on time. People with serious medical issues or serious mental health issues who agree with lockdown, but this is all anecdotal. On a forum with anonymous posters

The majority say the OP is being unreasonable.

@ARudeTerriblePerson

The majority say the OP is being unreasonable.

Well now we know where to look when we want to find the members of Farage's new anti restrictions Spread Covid party.

Thankfully my faith in human nature in the UK has been slightly restored. I discovered that outside of these MN threads numerous polls consistently show the majority of the public don't want to Spread Covid. It seems the public mostly want to save the economy and lives, and they don't want to drag this out any longer than necessary. So that's good.

I hate Farage Hes a cunt.

@ARudeTerriblePerson

The majority say the OP is being unreasonable.

Which probably accounts for why we were going into our second lockdown months after other countries were back to normal...

Yes indeed GurpsAgain

maureenfrombarnsley How can you possibly presume to state what "they" think? Have you spoken to all of them? You insist you're in favour of protests, yet continue to denigrate the participants, even when people have explained to you the perfectly valid reasons for their position

Well it would be helpful if they gave some indication of what they think themselves wouldn't it. Do they have a website, some kind of manifesto. A solution

I haven't denigrated them. I've repeatedly said they have a right to peaceful protest, within the law, and that their voices should be heard

The only reasonable certainty one can draw is they don't agree with lockdown. Lots of people don't. To my original point, if everyone agreed with you, we wouldn't NEED draconian laws and fines because the majority would choose to act in their own interest and stay in.

I think what you're saying is that people should be left to decide for themselves?

By your own logic you most definitely are a recession denier because you are in favour of the very measures which cause it, therefore you must be in denial (you must see how easy it is to invert your 'covid-denier' rationale?)

But letting this damn virus run free would destroy the economy as well. Not only that, it would collpase vital services

Your critique of The WHO makes my point for me. 9 months on and there is absolutely NO consensus. All the more justification for rigorous debate.

I agree, yes debate.

There is consensus on lockdown. Most countries are using very similar tactics. Even Sweden has now had use stricter lockdown. This is science based. I dont see how all these scientists, the world over, can be wrong

@Flaxmeadow

Krampusnacht Are you saying I'm mistaken?? Lying?? I assure you I'm not

No, I'm saying that has not been my experience or those who I know. I could give you just as many anecdotes about people receiving treatment and people who are scared their treatments won't go ahead if the health service collapses or people who are scared medication won't be delivered on time. People with serious medical issues or serious mental health issues who agree with lockdown, but this is all anecdotal. On a forum with anonymous posters

Good for you! I'm SO glad you have no experience of people not missing out on treatment. However, your post indicates that treatment hadn't stopped anywhere not just for your area. Please don't speak for the entire country.

@SheepandCow

Thankfully my faith in human nature in the UK has been slightly restored. I discovered that outside of these MN threads numerous polls consistently show the majority of the public don't want to Spread Covid. It seems the public mostly want to save the economy and lives, and they don't want to drag this out any longer than necessary. So that's good.

That is really good news. Your posts kind of keep me going, too, SheepandCow.

I think the protesters have been manipulated and lied to by the same bullshitters who manipulated and lied to them over Brexit. Their aim seems to be to to try to destabilise our country. Apparently Brexit hasn't brought us low enough for their liking, and they want more British people to die.

Indeed, the Hoi Poloi are getting restive. It will get worse. Soon everyone and their aunty will be a criminal and then respect for the law will dissolve and it will get even worse.

@PrincessNutNuts

I think the protesters have been manipulated and lied to by the same bullshitters who manipulated and lied to them over Brexit. Their aim seems to be to to try to destabilise our country. Apparently Brexit hasn't brought us low enough for their liking, and they want more British people to die.

I think you do people a disservice by pigeonholing them with your graphic.

I've been WFH all along, doing as I'm told, only going out when necessary etc etc.

Yet it's very clear to me that the strategy is not working. People can see it and they're not happy about it. As mentioned by others, the government have had all year to find a solution but they've done nothing but throw money at companies where they have financial interests or at the most unlikely suppliers or middlemen.

My daughter works in a nursing home and it's been a collosal fu#k up after fu#k up. Talk about saving the vulnerable, the government have killed most of them.

And all the while, people still believe that this halfway house lockdown is keeping people safe. It's utter nonsense.

YY @whiterabbitsweets There was over 95% compliance in the first lockdown. And the Government squandered it. Im well aware how serious Covid is.

Funny how no one is asking why the Gov didnt work through instead of taking their summer recess. We are in a crisis. I thought we were living in unprecedented times.

Exactly how long should the public be expected to wait before they buck their ideas up.

And all the while, people still believe that this halfway house lockdown is keeping people safe. It's utter nonsense.

Are you able to explain how we’d be safer with less transmissions by allowing people to congregate in pubs etc again?

I think the problem is that a lot of people aren’t prepared to just ‘lump it’, which is pretty much our only option. As a society it’s no longer common for us not to have the upper hand over nature, but the fact is that no amount of reasoning or moaning will ultimately make any difference. Even the government don’t really know what will happen and are just trying to make what they see as the best decisions at the time.

Nope.