Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

I applaud them!!!!

For decades we've not worn masks or social distanced during winter, despite it resulting in people contracting and dying of flu viruses, sometimes in great numbers. Presumably, that came under the category of accepted risk. Then along comes Covid and suddenly it's all about "if it saves one life" and if you have any questions you're persona non grata.

No, I am not disgusted by the anti-lockdown protestors. I am disgusted by the powers that be banning protests. Of course people will object strongly to restrictions that disproportionately affect them and put livelihoods at risk. As far as spreading Covid goes - it's outside! Didn't we learn anything from the May Day celebrations and the packed beaches?

I'm actually in awe of people who don't realise the slippery slope we're on regarding how easily we've relinquished our freedoms. Now the government have realised just how easily we can be manipulated and just how well they can coerce us into compliance using our old and vulnerable against us, do you honestly think they won't continue to do so?

This. I'm not a covid denier or an anti-masker. I get covid is a threat and i happily wear my mask even when it chafes my ears. But I also see that lockdown is a massive threat, as is the loss of civil liberties. Almost every totalitarian government or regime has been born out of genuine crisis and real fear, just like covid is a crisis and people are right to be fearful of it. However fear is then taken advantage of to reduce liberties 'for the greater good', to restrict freedoms and make people go along without questioning anything 'just for now, until things are better'. And I think that's exactly what is happening now. Fear is powerful and when its weaponized can have disastrous consequences and cause devolution of responsibility for these consequences because everyone was just 'doing what they're told'. I'm tired of a lack of critical thinking. I have more respect for someone who will critically evaluate the situation and rules and set limitations based on their own risk assesment than someone who blindly follows 'the rulez' because that's just what they've been told to do.

Protecting the NHS also involves generating enough tax revenue to keep it going.

That is not for now, that is for later. Seriously, do not become an Economist. Go and research how many days of tax revenue it takes to fund the NHS. Stick to your day job.

At this rate, Boris will have achieved his goal of killing it off and turning our healthcare system to an American profit based abomination.

That is what overwhelming the NHS with patients will do. The best way to kill the NHS off is my killing its morale. Having to decide between two otherwise healthy people of working age who has to die and who has to live. All my medical friends tell me that is their biggest fear.

Your amalgamation of two completely separate sentences into a single paragraph is either deliberately dangerous or an accident due to you not really knowing very much at all.

@JoanWilderbeast

For decades we've not worn masks or social distanced during winter, despite it resulting in people contracting and dying of flu viruses, sometimes in great numbers. Presumably, that came under the category of accepted risk. Then along comes Covid and suddenly it's all about "if it saves one life" and if you have any questions you're persona non grata.

This is what I don't understand, the obsession, hysteria over covid?

@JoanWilderbeast

For decades we've not worn masks or social distanced during winter, despite it resulting in people contracting and dying of flu viruses, sometimes in great numbers. Presumably, that came under the category of accepted risk. Then along comes Covid and suddenly it's all about "if it saves one life" and if you have any questions you're persona non grata.

I've been saying this since the beginning of the pandemic. And no, I'm not a covid denier I just don't see why for all those years and all those lives lost to flu like illnesses (my grandad and dad amongst them), no one gave a crap about masking wearing or social distancing or stricter hand washing. In fact I bet the majority of people on this thread have rocked up to work or college or sent their kids to school with a flu type illness that for all you know killed someone. Why does it only matter now? I tell you why. Because the government are LOVING having us live in fear. And if you don't think they'll use it to their advantage down the line then you're daft.

I know someone who goes on these protests, and it's not just about our rights etc, lots are covid deniers, anti vaccinations, Trump supporters, anti masks, and all the Bill Gates hate, anti BLM etc, if it was just about jobs etc I would totally be supportive, but it's not. The government have a lot to answer for and it's their actions that have lead to our position now, but these protests are not just about that. Where are all these people when there are massive cuts to local councils, shortages of nurses, teachers, etc, when have they cared about mental health and loneliness, carers and the treatment of old people in this country, how many voted Brexit which is more worrying right now. I'm not disgusted, just unable to understand all the conspiracy stuff that lots of these protesters are spouting. I'm worried for my friend, who goes to these protests, but I can't do or say anything to stop her.

Nope. Not disgusted, pleased someone's finally starting to think for themselves! I'd be there if I could.

I hear you Krampusnacht, I'm not a covid denier either but I don't think the OTT response is because the Government want us to live in fear, I probably side more with the "reset" theories..?

Protecting the NHS also involves generating enough tax revenue to keep it going.

“That is not for now, that is for later. Seriously, do not become an Economist.”

Thank god people like @CunnyLingus aren’t running the country.

I bow to your superior intellect @CunnyLingus

Except there's a very clear way to prevent NHS melt down without resorting to lockdown after lockdown.

But you knew that didn't you? The clue lies with more organised countries who set about things properly, unlike the UK who's only option was to decimate people's livelihoods.

So do you not think that the cost of covid to our economy isn't going to impact the NHS. Quite the economist clearly. We may be paying for this 'later' but it's been wholly preventable.

Bit clearly you're more intelligent than the WHO scientists who advise against lockdowns and favour alternative measures for managing the virus.

Stick to your ‘day job’ @whiterabbitsweets 😂

Thankfully I still have a day job

So what do we do if the vaccine doesn't arrive in 2021? More lockdowns or putting systems in place to more effectively manage the virus.

South Korea and a host of other countries have shown the world what's achievable. Why not the UK?

According to @cunnylingus we just keep locking down. We (or rather our children and grandchildren) can worry about paying for it later 🤷‍♀️

Ah, the master plan! Or should I say the plan with no plan.

I think I'll give up my day job too.

People have a right to peacefully protest but what happens next? Some kind of direct action? Its worrying because so many of these protestors seem to be complete covid deniers

Say in March we have only just had laws introduced on drink driving/speed limits/seatbelts. Some people vehemently disagre and protest and say "there is no danger in driving fast, being drunk behind the wheel...the numbers of fatal accidents and hospital admissions are made up..its exaggerated...its all a conspiracy to control us...". They then move on from street protests and take direct action, drive drunk, ignore speed limits

My point is, where does this end. Will they take it further. Will they encourage others to take it further? Where does this leave public health and safety

You can believe that Covid exists and still be anti lockdown. Its not either or.

@Mischance et Al

I was just wondering where the evidence is that lockdown s actually work? You do realise that they are experimental - we have never before quarantined healthy people.

And if you think that it intuitively makes sense, think again. Viruses are circling the earth and falling from the atmosphere all the time (peer reviewed pre-covid research alert)
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/science/virosphere-evolution.amp.html%3f0p19G=6214

The BMJ says "Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic. The picture is much less clear in low income countries, where the safety nets available in better resourced settings may be lacking."

I don't know where folk are getting their fact about suicide from.

I have no issues with protests, I've been a protester all my adult life (nuclear weapons, abortion, war, Uni fees, austerity, BLM, I've takeN to the streets for all of them and some).

What I do struggle with is the myth of the idea that manga carta gives people rights that Ed don't have, and the "freeman of the land" nonsense. I recently was sent a film of a group people protesting outside a tattooist shop in Bristol, the tattooist had opened in spite of the regulations and for some reason police were deployed in numbers. I don't know if this was because there was a gathering outside the shop or because they happened to stroll past and see something was going on, whatever the reason, it was not a nice thing to watch.

The person who sent me the film has also sent me films of total nutters (Caroline Stephens for example) who fires up the covid denyers and the conspiracy theorists with her fact free monologues) who seem to fuel some of the anti lockdown protests,

I am worried that we are becoming more and more controlled and watched but not to the extent that I believe Bill Gates and the deep state want to make us "actual 5g antenna" via a vaccine.

We have to keep the right to protest, we must ensure that this awful pandemic is not used to bring in more reasons fir our movements to be monitored and used against us.

So despite my laughing at the "vaccines make us transmitters of 5G " protesters, I do respect their right to do so.

I was just wondering where the evidence is that lockdown s actually work? You do realise that they are experimental - we have never before quarantined healthy people.

Oh, yes, we have. During the Spanish flu, for one.

@Flaxmeadow

People have a right to peacefully protest but what happens next? Some kind of direct action? Its worrying because so many of these protestors seem to be complete covid deniers

Say in March we have only just had laws introduced on drink driving/speed limits/seatbelts. Some people vehemently disagre and protest and say "there is no danger in driving fast, being drunk behind the wheel...the numbers of fatal accidents and hospital admissions are made up..its exaggerated...its all a conspiracy to control us...". They then move on from street protests and take direct action, drive drunk, ignore speed limits

My point is, where does this end. Will they take it further. Will they encourage others to take it further? Where does this leave public health and safety

The thing is, when a rule is worth following, and people can see the value in it, they follow it willingly anyway. Like seatbelt-wearing, like not drink-driving. The dissenters are a minority. But protests didn't really happen then because these were laws that we (generally) consent to, and are easily upheld. It's a mutual agreement between the public and government.

The covid measures are totally unprecedented, placing ongoing curbs on every aspect of daily life, and hindering the ability of thousands to earn a living. There is no true consensus of opinion as to the value of locking down, yet the public is being coerced and bullied into compliance.

Nobody in government or the opposition appears to fight for the alternative viewpoint, so the right to protest is absolutely critical. And if it IS only a small minority, what's the problem? Unless actually, they're speaking for a hell of a lot more of us, in which case we should all be extremely grateful they still have that right.

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Well said @maureenfrombarnsley

The thing is, when a rule is worth following, and people can see the value in it, they follow it willingly anyway. Like seatbelt-wearing, like not drink-driving.

No, they don't. That's why there are fines for not doing these things and they are policed.