Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

@Susanwouldntlikeit

I salute the protestors for upholding our civil liberties. Well said and would join if I knew when they were happening -presumably why there is news blackout to prevent hordes of us doing precisely that.

This.

Did it make me angry when BLM protested?.. no.. not the fact that they protested against something they were angry about no it didn't.... but yes in the sense that at the time there was a deadly virus that they could be spreading around when jumping all over each other yes...

@southeastdweller

In short: do something about it, rather than use the statistic to justify an argument.

People appear to be arguing lockdown causes isolation that is directly causing suicide and this fact merits risking higher transmission by removing the limits causing isolation. My point is that there are ways to help others who are isolated, even during lockdown and I listed several - there are others.

@Duemarch2021

Did it make me angry when BLM protested?.. no.. not the fact that they protested against something they were angry about no it didn't.... but yes in the sense that at the time there was a deadly virus that they could be spreading around when jumping all over each other yes...

Why do you think people are “jumping all over each other” at protests?

The best form of government is a strong opposition.

Absolutely. It'll be a long time until I forgive Labour for being so neglegent in the (important) role of opposition at a time when we have needed a strong balance, so badly.

As much as the current government have robbed the country for their own gain, the current Labour party have neglected it.

What’s your point regarding people remarking on the suicide rates?

fullfact.org/online/suicide-coronavirus-deaths/

Also, get on the Tube at rush hour and it’s much more of a spreader than an outdoor protest.

I’m reluctant to say it because I wouldn’t put it past them to shut down the Tube.

But there is the problem @Pinkyxx. Your number 3 is not a feasible way for society to function.

I also wonder how many of the people on MN who point to the suicide rate have picked up the phone, called someone they know who is alone, been a friend, taken food parcels a person, or a neighbor who is elderly and afraid to go out? How many have volunteered their time to be on a helpline for people in distress to call?

I've done a few of the above examples. My Dad killed himself, I know what it's like to have my family and my own lives destroyed as a result of it. Instead of all this bitching back and forth, why not have some compassion for people who have lost everything - their life, their home, their jobs, their marriage. Instead of wanting people to prove the suicide stats, or mocking those for pointing out the increase in suicide, or DV etc - how about you be grateful that you are not in their position.

Good on 'em. I think the government have worn people's patience too thin now. It was orginally a couple of weeks so the NHS wouldn't be overwhelmed, they are now talking about lockdown until at least March.

It's a clear lie that the more we obey, the quicker this will be over. Lockdowns will go on as long as people are prepared to put up with it so thank you to those that are fighting it.

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

Even the World Health Organisation is advocating against lockdowns as they don't work

No they are not. What was said by Dr David Nabarro has been taken out of context was stating that governments can also use other means and that lockdown has awful consequences but is necessary at times and went on to say why.

Of course many decided to hear what fits their agenda (Trump for one)

Go to 25:00 minutes and listen to the WHO representative.

Ok perhaps it's extreme to say they don't work but it's clear to me that they have much more negative impacts than positive.

Although you've also misinterpreted @ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN as he doesn't say 'can also use' but 'should'. Lockdown should be a last resort and certainly not to the extent that we've been using them.

People keep talking about "the right to protest" etc etc

Bottom line is, large crowds spread the virus. That's the problem. People can protest whatever they want - but it is idiotic and selfish to do so in a PANDEMIC.

And if it were only the protestors who got sick, it would be pure Darwinism.

But. And this is the crux. Their actions will make OTHER PEOPLE sick and die.

And yes, we could stop restrictions and let everyone make their own choices... But what happens when Joe bloggs whose been hiding indoors needs the NHS for an operation, but cant get a bed because everyone has been "making their own choices" and the R number is 3 or 4.

I sympathize that people have lost jobs. We've all lost something. Including myself. But that is because this virus is awful. Blame the virus not the necessary restrictions

Viruses replicate by finding hosts

Yes. Viruses are viruses.

Lockdown, social distancing, god all the rules are designed to limit person to person contact to the greatest extent possible for the simple reasons that this minimizes the opportunities for the virus to find new hosts.

And humans are humans, primed to need contact with other humans for their own well being. It should hardly come as a great surprise to us that denying people of these things is not sustainable long term. We aren’t built to exist like this, it’s a highly unnatural and problematic state for us.

It's a clear lie that the more we obey, the quicker this will be over. Lockdowns will go on as long as people are prepared to put up with it so thank you to those that are fighting it.

This is an excellent point.

@Duemarch2021

Did it make me angry when BLM protested?.. no.. not the fact that they protested against something they were angry about no it didn't.... but yes in the sense that at the time there was a deadly virus that they could be spreading around when jumping all over each other yes...

please do shut up!

I don’t support the protesters at all. The NHS is always under pressure in winter and we can’t afford for it to be overwhelmed. The vaccines are just around the corner, so fingers crossed, we just need to be sensible for a bit longer.

But delayed gratification is an alien concept for some people. They want what they want and they want it now.

It’d be interesting to tot up the increased suicides from the start of lockdown until the economic and social ramifications are over (some years in the future), and also the extra deaths from cancer, heart attack, stroke, stillbirth (doubled since lockdown) and all the other needless deaths caused by the NHS basically shutting up shop for anything other than Covid.

Taken all together I can imagine they might well overtake Covid deaths.

There was a government report back in July that used ONS statistics, and estimated over 200,000 future deaths could be attributed to lockdown, due to delayed treatement alone.

There was a report in the telegraph in the last couple of days that said lockdown was costing the economy £900million a day.

Until very recently, ther has been no discussion or justification about the trade off between covid deaths and lockdown deaths, or about whether the staggering cost to the economy can be justified. There are plenty of scientists, ignored by the goverment, who are proposing alternatives to lockdown which shield the most vulnerable while allowing others to carry on working/living as normal. Just as whole counties are being placed in tier 3 due to 1 outbreak that is many miles away from towns/villages with few or no cases, lockdown is being applied to the whole populations when some groups are far less vulnerable than others. For example, we have been told that lockdown needs to apply universally, because of multi-generational households. But I also read that 92% of workers do not live in multi generational households. so could carry on working at relatively little risk.

I applaud the anti-lockdown protesters. The country needed a grown up discussion about the benefits and the drawbacks of lockdown, instead it has lied and used discredited statistics to try to instil fear, rather than allowing that discussion to take place. We have completely shafted our economy for decades to come. The people paying for that will be the younger people who are less affected by this virus. The hosiptality sector has been abandoned. It has infantilised the population, passing laws rather than trusting people to do the right thing. Like others, I think it shocking that the right to peaceful protest is now illegal, along with other basic human rights. What has happened in care homes is appaling. If the protests make the government realise that they need to justify their decisions that have such a profound effect on peoples lives, that can only be a good thing.

@Cattenberg

I don’t support the protesters at all. The NHS is always under pressure in winter and we can’t afford for it to be overwhelmed. The vaccines are just around the corner, so fingers crossed, we just need to be sensible for a bit longer.

But delayed gratification is an alien concept for some people. They want what they want and they want it now.

It’s already been 9 months of sacrifice that the government have pissed up the wall.

It’s also scandalous that people not only accept but actively vote for an NHS that can’t cope with normal pressures that occur for half the year every year.

I don't think there will be any repurcussions if lockdown is released and masks were binned off. I do not think masks have had any impact at all. During a conversation in the (full to the brim, incidentally) park the other day there was no one there that had even washed theirs that week. Grim.

The 'second wave' generally speaking has affected the areas that avoided a true 'first wave'. We are burning through the available, susceptible, population an area at a time. Numbers in my local area have rocketed during the 2nd lockdown. We had barely anything here in the spring. I do not believe the lockdowns are having any real effect and there are plenty of qualified scientists saying the same (of course, they don't get much air time on the BBC as it's content is government approved).

Incidentally, did anyone see the results of the studies last week into asymptomatic spread? There is new evidence to show that asymptomatic spread is not happening, only being spread once people have symptoms. This is absolutely HUGE news and should change the face of the whole approach/ response to he virus. Most people haven't heard about it..... Why? Because the government are too far in this hole now. They have to retrospectively justify the huge loss of livelihood, the crisis in the healthcare system, the detriment to the education of the children in our country.... They have to push on. With the same authoritarian approach, double down until the vaccine arrives. Then they can all pump their fists, congratulate us on our blitz spirit and have saved the day.

This elderly lady went for euthanasia

www.carenotkilling.org.uk/press-releases/euthanasia-to-escape-lockdown-in-canada/

• correction - that 92% of workers do not live in multi-generation households that include someone over the age 60 or 65 (I forget which and can't find it now, sorry)

The 'second wave' generally speaking has affected the areas that avoided a true 'first wave'. We are burning through the available, susceptible, population an area at a time. Numbers in my local area have rocketed during the 2nd lockdown. We had barely anything here in the spring. I do not believe the lockdowns are having any real effect and there are plenty of qualified scientists saying the same (of course, they don't get much air time on the BBC as it's content is government approved).

I have been wondering if there is something in this. A neighbouring authority here had the worst death rate in Scotland in March. Now they are ok the verge of tier 2 whilst we are in tier 4, and our cases are now the highest in Scotland.

I support the right to protest but I was watching a live stream of the protests yesterday and saw from the protesters at least one definite Nazi salute, heard a number of racial slurs, more than a few punches thrown at the police, too much spitting at the police to count, not to mention the general swearing, intimidation, and unpleasantness. Plus vandalism to various things and leaving detritus strewn in the road which blocked buses etc.

I think some may have been trying to peacefully protest but it's clear there were a lot of trouble makers just out for a fight.

@lockheart I've been on a lot of protests in my life and this happens OFTEN. Some people do love to hijack a protest and come out for a fight. I have never seen it broadcast on the news as much as with the lockdown protests and the BLM however. It's handy for the news though as it makes the protesters look like troublemakers rather than reasonable people with a considered argument.