Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

@MakeItRain

Data also suggests that lockdowns have had a larger negative effect on public health than the damage caused by covid-19.

The lockdown was never about saving lives directly but the NHS (flattening the curve). People were always going to die and we were told this at the outset. It was just a matter of when, until we had a vaccine.

Of course forcing everyone to stay at home will work, if the world comes to a grinding halt. However, this is not what this lockdown is about by any means and it's clear that there are as many people out/about as there were previously.

The proof is in counties being placed on the same or higher tiers than before lockdown 2.0. All it's done is to make us poorer and more desperate.

Even the World Health Organisation is advocating against lockdowns as they don't work.

However, as the government have no idea how to fix this, they've no other solution that to keep flogging a dead horse.

OP, people have lost their jobs, income, and face-to-face support networks (be they family, friends, or professionals). People have taken their own lives because of lockdown. Other people - including me - are ill and aren't being treated because of lockdown. Some sectors may only ever recover in a shrunken form.

Other posters have already said everything I would like to say, and more eloquently - but I absolutely support anyone who is protesting about this. If I lived anywhere near a protest, I would be joining in.

do you want to live in a dictatorship
It would appear that people do, yes. Which is what is happening.
Look at some of the vitriol on this thread, and the protestors being called scum etc. Did people say that about the other protests that took place this year also during the pandemic? I take it these posters are still having their SAHM lives funded by their unaffected DH, or from the comfort of their WFH, unaffected jobs? How easy a country has been divided with everyone turning on one another.

I’d protest against the right to protest being removed.

And I completely understand why people hit hard economically are doing so now. If you face very low risk from virus but immediate threat of financial crash then yes it becomes impossible to ask people to sit by whilst it happens.

Tg a vaccine is close as we are reaching a point where opposing pressures are very strong. At the start people mostly cared about health crisis. This has changed as economic hit has worsened.

Yes many did oppose the BLM protests earlier on in the year

And threads were taken down as they got so nasty

I total agree with you Neron. The data does not add up. It's like the Iraqi dodgy dossier all over again. We must invade Iraq coz of all those nuclear weapons - which were never there!

So a big yes to protests from me! And well done to them for standing up against mandatory vaxxing in particular. Since the news of the vax came out last week, the government has done nothing to reassure the public that vaxxing will be voluntary. And pro-vaxxer lobbies are screaming for mandatory vaccination because "all vaccines are safe, always."

More protesting needed. Time to take back civil liberties. My body, my choice.

@Jumbogirl

I total agree with you Neron. The data does not add up. It's like the Iraqi dodgy dossier all over again. We must invade Iraq coz of all those nuclear weapons - which were never there!

So a big yes to protests from me! And well done to them for standing up against mandatory vaxxing in particular. Since the news of the vax came out last week, the government has done nothing to reassure the public that vaxxing will be voluntary. And pro-vaxxer lobbies are screaming for mandatory vaccination because "all vaccines are safe, always."

More protesting needed. Time to take back civil liberties. My body, my choice.

Jumbo yes they have. CMO and Johnson confirmed at last briefing that it would not be mandatory. This was as soon as the Pfizer news was released.

Hope more people join these protests! They are standing up for our rights!

If I was able to join them I would be there with them at the front.

Even the World Health Organisation is advocating against lockdowns as they don't work

No they are not. What was said by Dr David Nabarro has been taken out of context was stating that governments can also use other means and that lockdown has awful consequences but is necessary at times and went on to say why.

Of course many decided to hear what fits their agenda (Trump for one)

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/04/matt-hancock-wont-rule-out-compulsory-vaccinations

Matt Hancock won't rule out compulsory vaxxing - it's all over the place news wise - unlike the 9 days of Danish protesting against compulsory vaxxing - not a peep there.

The country is being softened up for mandatory vaxxing - sorry, not mandatory - just you won't be able to travel or do your job or send your child to school.

I salute the protestors for upholding our civil liberties.

nah lockdown is BS.

Its just a bad flu, don't want to get covid then you can stay indoors.

My income came to screaming halt the day the first lockdown was announced. I have not earned a penny since, and qualify for nothing: no COVID support, no grants, no benefits.

I am only sorry that it has taken so many other people to lose their jobs and for their sectors to collapse before anyone is willing to stand up and shout about this.

I support the protestors a hundred million percent.

That article is over a year old Jumbo. The press conference was a couple of weeks ago.

Do you have anything more recent?

Travel will likely be more impacted by other countries’ restrictions to entry. And children aren’t getting the vaccine, it would have to be trialled first.

You wouldn’t consider an unchecked virus with an R0 of +3 and an IFR of over 1% destructive to humanity then?

We know a lot more now about how to control spread, mitigate effects and treat this thing now than we did then. We should be using that knowledge in a smart way, not resorting to the hammer blow of lockdown.

I salute the protestors for upholding our civil liberties.
Well said and would join if I knew when they were happening -presumably why there is news blackout to prevent hordes of us doing precisely that.

interesting that the vote (as I type) is 49/51.

We really have become a divided society.

Sad times.

Did it make you angry when BLM protested?

My husband supports the protests. I don't. But I do support the protesters right to protest and making protesting illegal will only lead to things bubbling over more.

Yes, they are idiots for protesting but what else are they supposed to do? Stay at home and be quiet? Write a polite letter to their MP? Tweet Boris Johnson? When has this ever returned results for the disenfranchised? If you have lost your job, your home, had relationship issues or mental health issues as a direct consequence of Covid 19 the only option might be, in that moment to take to the streets.

I find it funny that people associate civil disobedience with right wing groups when socialism encourages it. When my union is unhappy that their members are unhappy, we go on strike. We protest outside our places of work. Unions are socialist!

The vote is only representing those on MN and those that felt strongly enough to contribute and vote on this thread

MN certainly does not (and never has) represented society as a whole

Do most people support lockdowns well very very few numbers are out protesting against it (and it has been reported it’s all over social media)

YANBU.

The restrictions have been harsher and longer here (and in Europe/USA) because people don't want to be restricted. Look at countries like Singapore, people willingly follow the rules as they see the benefit of doing so (control transmission, shorter lockdowns, less economic impact, hospitals not overwhelmed). Arguing rules designed to save lives by limiting transmission are a ''breach'' civil liberties seems to go contrary to the premise they're designed for. Viruses don't care about people's rights or needs, they're designed to find hosts to replicate in - sorry but you can't change biological realities unless you have a vaccine that stops the transmission (they're working on that.. it takes time).

I also wonder how many of the people on MN who point to the suicide rate have picked up the phone, called someone they know who is alone, been a friend, taken food parcels a person, or a neighbor who is elderly and afraid to go out? How many have volunteered their time to be on a helpline for people in distress to call?

It's the poor doctors, nurses and police who have to deal with this that makes me mad. They shouldn't be put at greater risk than they already are so. We're lucky they're all still there if you ask me.

I may not personally approve but this is a democracy and people are actually allowed to protest. It is a very dangerous thing to do to ban this just because it’s not a cause you agree with. Public health is of course important but we’ve had our rights completely trampled over and torn up in the name of it all year often on the basis of very spurious evidence.

Ultimately the government are in place to do what the people want and not the other way round. That was the argument for Brexit. Despite it being very much not in the best interests of the country we still had to go through with it. Funny how that principle doesn’t apply to Covid even though Brexit will probably damage the country more.

For the record. I am in favour of current restrictions but can’t blame people for not being. Of course they should have the right to protest. We have been told for months the chance of transmission outside is low.

@PiccalilliChilli

My husband supports the protests. I don't. But I do support the protesters right to protest and making protesting illegal will only lead to things bubbling over more.

Yes, they are idiots for protesting but what else are they supposed to do? Stay at home and be quiet? Write a polite letter to their MP? Tweet Boris Johnson? When has this ever returned results for the disenfranchised? If you have lost your job, your home, had relationship issues or mental health issues as a direct consequence of Covid 19 the only option might be, in that moment to take to the streets.

I find it funny that people associate civil disobedience with right wing groups when socialism encourages it. When my union is unhappy that their members are unhappy, we go on strike. We protest outside our places of work. Unions are socialist!

Agree

@Pinkyxx

YANBU.

The restrictions have been harsher and longer here (and in Europe/USA) because people don't want to be restricted. Look at countries like Singapore, people willingly follow the rules as they see the benefit of doing so (control transmission, shorter lockdowns, less economic impact, hospitals not overwhelmed). Arguing rules designed to save lives by limiting transmission are a ''breach'' civil liberties seems to go contrary to the premise they're designed for. Viruses don't care about people's rights or needs, they're designed to find hosts to replicate in - sorry but you can't change biological realities unless you have a vaccine that stops the transmission (they're working on that.. it takes time).

I also wonder how many of the people on MN who point to the suicide rate have picked up the phone, called someone they know who is alone, been a friend, taken food parcels a person, or a neighbor who is elderly and afraid to go out? How many have volunteered their time to be on a helpline for people in distress to call?

It's the poor doctors, nurses and police who have to deal with this that makes me mad. They shouldn't be put at greater risk than they already are so. We're lucky they're all still there if you ask me.

What’s your point regarding people remarking on the suicide rates?

@NiceGerbil

I have said a few times that I'm not against protesting at all .. i think it should be legal and have no issues with protesters.... but in this case since it's about a virus, and gathering like that can spread the virus. What are they doing, theyre making matters worse..

If they want to protest about their jobs etc can they not gather 2 metres apart and social distance rather than getting drunk/drug taking and jumping all over each other for god sake

@TheKeatingFive

You wouldn’t consider an unchecked virus with an R0 of +3 and an IFR of over 1% destructive to humanity then?

We know a lot more now about how to control spread, mitigate effects and treat this thing now than we did then. We should be using that knowledge in a smart way, not resorting to the hammer blow of lockdown.

Yes, we know more about it but the rules of engagement haven't really changed have they:

1.Viruses replicate by finding hosts.

1. They find new hosts spreading person to person.
2. To prevent spread, all non-essential person to person contact must stop.

What knowledge, mitigation effects or proven treatments have we gained that changes these fundamental facts?

Lockdown, social distancing, god all the rules are designed to limit person to person contact to the greatest extent possible for the simple reasons that this minimizes the opportunities for the virus to find new hosts. That is the ONLY way to limit (not eliminate) spread until an effective vaccine is deployed globally. Public health policy is a balance of saving lives vs essential needs - it's not an exact science...