To ask “what is the conspiracy?”

[loulou0987]

I have seen many times on social media, over the past week, people saying there is something else going on and the Covid rules are for a different reason entirely.
I just wondered if anyone truly believes the government have a different agenda for extending lockdown??

I find the climate change aspect fascinating. I don’t doubt Covid for a second, I’m a nurse and I’ve seen it first hand, but the idea that we could be being mislead on its severity to solve a bigger problem is an interesting perspective.

‘Maybe not so much a conspiracy but an opportunity grabbed*

@MotheringShites, from what I’ve read the ‘great reset’ conspiracy was seized on by someone coming across a real movement formed by (the?) world economic forum.

The interpretation of it has been bastardised to suit the conspiracy but it’s not sinister imho. We’re currently in the middle of a global crisis, is it really unexpected that people would plan beyond that to rebuild?

@loulou0987 I’m glad I don’t sound like a crazy! There are other interesting aspects, Covid lockdowns certainly had a negative impact on Trump’s chances of re-election and he was not on board with climate change action, whereas one of Biden’s first pledges is to rejoin the Paris agreement. We also have Boris and others signing up to the ‘Build Back Better’ mantra and talk of his Green Industrial Revolution.

To be honest I am somewhat of an outlier on MN who does think that the reaction to Covid is an overreaction (not that it doesn’t exist). I find it strangely comforting to think that there IS something bigger happening.

@Cornettoninja I think you’re right. I’m not saying it’s necessarily sinister, but I do think there needed to be an element of force needed to change people’s behaviour to achieve the objectives.

@OldOrMaybeNotThatOld

Does it truly not bother anybody that airlines are suggesting proof of vaccination prior to international travel? I don’t think I care about any of the other theories except this point...

No. One of the reasons the virus spread so quickly around the world is because of air travel, so this is a very reasonable policy to have.

I was posting in agreement with you @MotheringShites

I feel in a strange place since I don’t believe our current way of living is sustainable yet in all honesty I don’t want to change if that means me losing out on my comforts. I completely recognise that I’m exactly the kind of person that will require a push rather than relying on me to make selfless decisions that impact wider society. I probably wouldn’t recycle as carefully as I do if I had a general waste collection every week

There will always be people at the top of the table with more than their fair share but ultimately we’re animals that require leadership to survive in large groups. All I really see in opposition to that on the whole is shambolic rantings which doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that people even really know what they’re rallying against.

I don’t know what your politics are but I noticed the same during the brexit campaigns - take back control. What does that even mean? No one I asked that question of had anything approaching a coherent answer. I want a bullet pointed plan of action!

Ultimately though, no covid was definitely not planned but will be used as a catalyst for other things. I will pay far more attention to what emerges over the next eighteen months/two years under the shadow of recovery than anything that had happened in the past twelve months.

(I’ve started rambling like a conspiracy theorist! )

I had all this mansplained (complete with popping eyes and flying spittle) to me just the other day! Climate change is not real and engineered by... someone, covid is a hoax, the vaccination is THE MARK OF THE BEAST (apparently named the Luciferian vaccine!). I am also a sheeple and "part of the problem", after making a fairly innocuous remark about it being polite to wear a mask in shops during a pandemic. I'm killing the elderly by my subversive mask wearing(!?), and I'm a heartless bastard for doing so.

[quote MotheringShites]@loulou0987 I’m glad I don’t sound like a crazy! There are other interesting aspects, Covid lockdowns certainly had a negative impact on Trump’s chances of re-election and he was not on board with climate change action, whereas one of Biden’s first pledges is to rejoin the Paris agreement. We also have Boris and others signing up to the ‘Build Back Better’ mantra and talk of his Green Industrial Revolution.

To be honest I am somewhat of an outlier on MN who does think that the reaction to Covid is an overreaction (not that it doesn’t exist). I find it strangely comforting to think that there IS something bigger happening.[/quote]
So all the world leaders have conspired together to achieve this?

@Nanny0gg maybe?? Is it so ridiculous to think that global leaders may come together to address a global issue?

RichardMarxisinnocent

I've also been told by doctors that masks are pretty much useless
And where i work there are very senior doctors very much encouraging the use of masks

Not at all where I am in fact the opposite as cloth masks are useless most people are not using them properly at all, you can go shopping with a mask and take it off to eat, very very unhygienic and causes more germs to spread. In a clinic setting constant hand washing and taking masks and discarding properly is how they really work.

People wearing it on chin , you see this all the time, dirty masks being work again. Cloth masks are not even effective. In fact we seeing rising cases and majority wear masks. Many many doctors and nurses where I am don’t agree at all. Sad reality is that it’s just unhygienic in everyday life

The problem is with this great reset etc, the conspiracy theorists were saying from the start ‘This will happen next’ then this etc etc, and it all has...pushing for the vaccine, locking down again and again when it’s being disputed it actually works, the prospect of having to have the vaccine in order to continue everyday life...
If you strip it all down, accept it’s a real virus (it obviously is) but look at the actual facts and figures, is their current way of doing things balanced?
My worry is when all the businesses go bump, what on earth is their plan? This is one of the issues, they seem unwilling to discuss any other possible way of doing things, why?
They (conspiracy people) predict a universal wage soon, as we’ll all have no money by then, after cancelling all debt and apparently taking our homes etc. It sounds completely bonkers, but if you looked back to this time last year, who could believe any of this would happen? If you truly stop and look at it, look at the figures and how far we’ve come in treatments etc, are all these measures really necessary? Also why the censorship on media and the draconian laws? The majority of people I believe think this isn’t right but are too worried to say anything for fear of being labelled a conspiracy theorist.
Many believe we’re heading for a communist society.

[quote MotheringShites]@Nanny0gg maybe?? Is it so ridiculous to think that global leaders may come together to address a global issue?[/quote]
Address yes. Shut down the world, no.

@OldOrMaybeNotThatOld

Does it truly not bother anybody that airlines are suggesting proof of vaccination prior to international travel? I don’t think I care about any of the other theories except this point...

Problem in general the airlines have always had, well pre ¨Covid", is that they carry the can if a passenger arrives at a foreign port of entry and is denied entry due to a lack of appropriate Visas, documentation, and although it's very rare these days appropriate health documentation. If the rules are infringed the airline will probably be forced to repatriate the passenger and may also well pick up a hefty fine ...

I'd not be at all surprised that if many countries around the world start insisting on vaccination for entry the airlines themselves start CTAs by insisting on passengers providing proof of vaccination prior to allow boarding for many/any flights....I don't see any conspiracy angle behind it...

Some great ones on here, but has anyone mentioned the Chinese regime thing?

As in they'll be the only ones left with any money and they'll want to buy up all the failed businesses - so they're bribing leaders to make sure they DO fail?

pinkearedcow

Fuckingshifty

So nobody thinks its fucking weird, we have a heatwave for the first time in 10 years which co-fucking-incides with the first lockdown. EVERY year before that snow and ice was clockwork. And the shit weather returned 'just in time' for lockdown to end... hmm 🤔

Eh? We haven't had snow and ice like clockwork across the whole of the UK for a long time, winters have been much wetter and milder for some years.

Go back, re-read my posts and highlight where I said "across the whole of the UK". Because I re-read my posts and thinking you just added that in yourself

Where I live come spring we experience freezing shitty weather mostly accompanied by snow and have done for at least the last 10 years.

Nice for you its usually mild and wet. Not this year though

VaggieMight
Anyone who's worked with the civil service, government or any large organisation would know that the organisations are not capable of large scale conspiracies.

Tell that to the families of the contaminated blood scandal where many gov departments around the world colluded with medical departments to hide evidence which eventually came to light many years later and after thousands of deaths.

Interesting to note that many high up government officials around the world were prosecuted, some jailed. In the UK no government officials involved were held accountable. They are perfectly capable of coluding together when it suites their interests.

We had a heatwave in 2018 i worked through it in a tin box warehouse and got very sick

2019 we had a mini heatwave too

2020 we just had decent weather

A conspiracy requires skill and competence. Both of which are absent from this government.

Tell that to the families of the contaminated blood scandal where many gov departments around the world colluded with medical departments to hide evidence which eventually came to light many years later and after thousands of deaths

That’s an example of arse covering not orchestrating a harmful event for the purpose of benefitting in some as yet unidentified way.

Dunno ..... looks legit

@Nomoreboobs

The problem is with this great reset etc, the conspiracy theorists were saying from the start ‘This will happen next’ then this etc etc, and it all has...pushing for the vaccine, locking down again and again when it’s being disputed it actually works, the prospect of having to have the vaccine in order to continue everyday life... If you strip it all down, accept it’s a real virus (it obviously is) but look at the actual facts and figures, is their current way of doing things balanced? My worry is when all the businesses go bump, what on earth is their plan? This is one of the issues, they seem unwilling to discuss any other possible way of doing things, why? They (conspiracy people) predict a universal wage soon, as we’ll all have no money by then, after cancelling all debt and apparently taking our homes etc. It sounds completely bonkers, but if you looked back to this time last year, who could believe any of this would happen? If you truly stop and look at it, look at the figures and how far we’ve come in treatments etc, are all these measures really necessary? Also why the censorship on media and the draconian laws? The majority of people I believe think this isn’t right but are too worried to say anything for fear of being labelled a conspiracy theorist. Many believe we’re heading for a communist society.

Anybody who has ever watched Zombie movies, disease outbreak movies, played a Pandemic simulation game on their phone, watched programmes/read books about the Black Death/Smallpox/Polio/influenza pandemics/MMR/etc or read about the history of epidemiology knows this stuff.

Hell, conspiracy theorists/utter loons/preppers, people insistent upon 'their rights' or not being able to do what is needed (in the context of those who can't bring themselves to put an end to undead relatives and hiding their own infections) are standard Zombie fare.

How could 'Conspiracy people' have any advantage or special insight when they have done nothing more than make money extrapolate from already well known behaviours in humans/groups/government and both factual and fictional work on the various phenomena?

I thought Amazon invented covid so we'd all shop online and Bezos becomes even richer.

I'm sure it's no coincidence that soon after Greta Thunberg was banging on about flying less, driving less, and kids should not be in school, lockdown forced all these things. (A shame about use of public transport being discouraged, though, to say nothing of all that disposable plastic waste in the form of face nappies, which are ending up in the sea and killing wildlife!)

Final, definitive proof that both Greta and Boris are puppets, with their strings pulled by the same puppet master. (Gavel)

Was Covid 19 around in 2015?

@WithLotsOfSprinkles0

There is an agenda by the government, that is clear to see

1. face masks were deemed not necessary for the first 3 month of a lockdown, doctors (including one who told me to my face when on hospital ward) and scientists have all said they are no use but we still have to have them.

2. no spikes in september after eat out but spikes in schools and universities though they have shut hospitality sector.

3. they seem it unsafe to mix so many mixed households in your own home but people can work together, use public transport etc.

4. putting the majority of the north regions in tier 3 and cities like london in tier 2 though cases are dropping at higher rates in the north than london.

5. corona takes a nap when in supermarkets, after 10pm, 5 days around christmas but not in restaurants where people are seated.

6. false positive tests, people sending empty tests and stabbing muddy puddles. My friend who works in a dementia home and has said they have had 2 false positives so far.

7. anyone who dies is tested for covid and if positive, their death is put down as covid despite having other health conditions and cause of death.

8. non essential shops now opening in tier 3 just in time for everyones Christmas shopping..if it was that bad they wouldn't open.

9. they are 'allowing" households to mix over christmas though they know full well it will risk more cases but they know people will mix anyway so it's a way to keep in control.

Not so much a conspiracy, but there is a need for control, feeding us shite statistics and crashing the economy.

Shower of shite

I agree with all this. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and hope to god it IS pure incompetence. But the actions of government are increasingly hard to swallow and I worry that sinister forces are taking full advantage of this situation.

It's also notable that the BBC doesn't report on anti-lockdown protests, or only very sparingly indeed.