To ask “what is the conspiracy?”

[loulou0987]

I have seen many times on social media, over the past week, people saying there is something else going on and the Covid rules are for a different reason entirely.
I just wondered if anyone truly believes the government have a different agenda for extending lockdown??

A very small amount of people believe that. Personally I think its a load of bunkum but hey ho.

I've read so much impossible dross on Facebook, funny how no-one is coming up with theories such as it's a drastic measure to reduce pollution and halt catastrophic climate change? That could actually be a positive side effect and an almost plausible theory. Not wild enough for the crackpots though. Isn't the fact that we are in a global pandemic with many deaths exciting enough for them? It's all getting irritating now. If I actually get covid I will have to sit on my hands to stop replying to them.

Fascinatingly came across a lot of theories during lockdown 1,
Firstly, elite/rich/famous are not humans (some sort of reptiles-taking over etc etc).

Secondly, majority of Hollywood female actresses aren’t female 🤷‍♀️

Those two are the more ‘far fetched’ ones I’ve seen, others are generally about Covid, how it’s manufactured, designed spread etc etc

Obviously don’t have time to believe any of them 😂

I do believe the virus is real but when you look at the rules being put in place so many make no sense.

Like pp I believe government is incompetent and are being led by scientists/medics who have vested interests.

I've also been told by doctors that masks are pretty much useless.

Using lies and false data to get the 2nd lockdown through is probably the exact kind of action that encourages conspiracy theories. It is perfectly reasonable to wonder what else they are lying to us about

I've also been told by doctors that masks are pretty much useless
And where i work there are very senior doctors very much encouraging the use of masks.

Perhaps the closest to a conspiracy theory is that fascist eugenicists in some countries (not Australia, New Zealand, Africa, or Asia Pacific) wanted to kill off elderly and disabled people. Things like the UK's Spread Covid for Christmas policy.

@bingowingsmcgee

The one I heard was that the vaccine will change our DNA, so that our species will change to trans-human, or something.

I heard that one too, we will become Human 2.0 apparently. It was being peddled by a US doctor, which was quite worrying. She also appears to be a general anti vaxxer.

@Cassimin

I’ve heard that the vaccination makes you infertile- Why give a vaccination that’s going to eliminate humans when if we let the virus infect us we will be all dead anyway??? Who makes these things up???

The irony is evidence has suggested that Long Covid (unlike the vaccine) really does cause infertility in men.

fact that excess deaths are basically unaffected,

That’s untrue for England and Wales. I haven’t checked Scotland. www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4500

One reason amongst a few for the spread of conspiracy theories is the large and lucrative alt truth media. People can make big bucks hosting YouTube channels spouting conspiracy nonsense.

@MrsFezziwig

the fact that only a very small minority of 'cases' appear to be driven from hospitality and yet that is taking such a kicking

I don’t think that is a conspiracy. To me the problem of transmission lies in schools but because the government has staked what little remains of its reputation on keeping schools open, it is allowing other sectors to suffer to try to compensate for its poor management of education.

I don't think it's about reputation - it's the same problem in all kinds of countries.

Schools are in many ways the absolute lynchpin of the economy, what makes it possible. They can't fake childcare, someone actually has to be there to do it.

We've got a society where there is very little ability to compensate when all of a sudden there is a need to take care of someone at home.

It's all explained by greed and incompetence. This government couldn't cover up a conspiracy if their lives depended on it.

@Rocher

One reason amongst a few for the spread of conspiracy theories is the large and lucrative alt truth media. People can make big bucks hosting YouTube channels spouting conspiracy nonsense.

Out of interest, how do they make money? Does YouTube pay per view or something? Perhaps I'll try and make a few quid. My favourite theory is the bird one. I've tweaked it a bit so that we have a giant Big Bird controlling the population.

So nobody thinks its fucking weird, we have a heatwave for the first time in 10 years which co-fucking-incides with the first lockdown. EVERY year before that snow and ice was clockwork. And the shit weather returned 'just in time' for lockdown to end... hmm 🤔

I said this to my dh today - why the fuck would a capitalist government who worship money deliberately close down businesses for any other reason hmm.

I agree, they're forced by 'advisors' who told them their career would implode if they dont take certain actions. Boris fought very hard in the beginning not to lockdown. He didnt want the economy to explode. Inevitably he valued his career above all else.

It is funny how there are MANY viruses deadly to old and vulnerable that have been about for years and no one has given a fuck to isolate for their benefit.

My DD works in a care home where Noro Virus wiped out many old dears in 1 week. Where was fucking lockdown then 🤷‍♀️ Pneumonia has been around for a long time. Where was lockdown then 🤷‍♀️

But no one suffers pneumonia now, only covid. Wierd eh???

I'm overdue by a tear at least for 2 operations, 1 quite essential and a generic disorder where the department just closed???

Another condition meant I learnt I didnt gave a brain tumour only because I didnt die after agonising months because certain hospital departments who could test shut down.

But of course, the death caused by lockdown is invisible, the MH, suicides, starving, cancer patients whose medication was haulted (friend of mine), many many more.

Really? Is it worth it?

One more thing. I DO believe there is a virus. I DO NOT believe it's as bad as it's made out to be.

If we recorded flu deaths the same as covid deaths... anyone who died positive after 28 days regardless of infection of symptoms...???? I guarantee the flu death rate would be so much fucking higher!!

I saw on an earlier thread... someone said oh yes I know someone who died in a car accident and it was classed as a covid death, why?

Some stupid responder said 'ah but maybe they were coughing which caused the car to crash'.

Seriously?? I've never heard of someone dying crashing their car and testing positive for the cold and the accident being labelled caused by a cold. Why labels caused by covid??

Dr's and surgeons have already made public ASU hospitals were getting extra funding for every covid death they claimed and so they had pressure put on them to label deaths covid.

Nurse in the uk already resigned after publishing nhs figures showing only 3 people died of covid in her district when media were claiming it hundreds.

I.am not a tin hat, I've only seen mainstream, but the language they use and the conflicting information and stories they provide has me questioning the whole thing.

I'm happy to believe the world's medical and scientific experts. Economists too. Deutsche Bank, for example, warned recently about the long-term risk to the economy of failed containment.

Some people are quite hard of thinking aren't they? How do they think they'll get any medical treatment when the hospitals are full and the healthcare staff off sick or dead?

As for false positives. Experts estimate nearly 30% of tests are false negatives - which might explain why so many cases are caught in hospital.

Because it seems half the world is thick as shit.

How does 5g get to fucking third world countries?

If there was no internet, we would all just take the vaccine and be done but now the UK has measles back.

Why and how people think every leader of the world, all the scientists and then the manufacturers etc came together and played this is beyond me!

Maybe we were all microchipped with the MMR 🙄

Here's a cracking false positive. Someone I know drove to the airport for their covid 'drive through' test. Unfortunately the cue was so long she had to turn around and go home before getting anywhere near being tested because she had a telephone consultation with a Dr booked. A few days later she got a letter in the post saying her covid test was positive and she needed to isolate. She phoned them up to inform them she hadn't taken the test. They got back to her days later to apologise, it was a mix up apparently. Someone else I know got a false positive, confirmed in writing after they complained.

@Ugzbugz

Because it seems half the world is thick as shit.

How does 5g get to fucking third world countries?

If there was no internet, we would all just take the vaccine and be done but now the UK has measles back.

Why and how people think every leader of the world, all the scientists and then the manufacturers etc came together and played this is beyond me!

Maybe we were all microchipped with the MMR 🙄

Planned not played although much the same 🙄

The number of false negatives - nearly 30% - is based on data, rather than anecdotes.

@Fuckingshifty, apparently there was an error with track and trace no surprise and if the entire country was to be tested 400k would get an incorrect positive result.

Agree with the rest though and how and why are all these elderly vunreble people catching it and ending up in hospital?

Where is everyone going so wrong because for 99 percent of us, we should all catch it and stay home and recover, what and who is spreading it?

That's not true. Experts say around 20% get a seriously ill (or die). That's quite a sizeable proportion of the population.

And it's not only elderly people either. Lots of women in their 30s were in hospital with it a couple of months ago. Perhaps they still are (I haven't seen recent data on ages of hospitalised patients).

There's also Long Covid, which a) is real, b) is serious (the NHS doesn't spend on treatment clinics across the UK for something that is no big deal) and c) isn't confining itself to the elderly and vulnerable.

@Fuckingshifty I can't tell if you're joking or not but are you suggesting the gov can alter the weather. Oh dear or dear!!! 😂😂

I certainly think covid is real (how well the government is handling it is debatable) but it certainly seems a useful distraction from the economic fallout from Brexit atm and all the things they haven't worked out that will hit in January.