To ask “what is the conspiracy?”

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I have seen many times on social media, over the past week, people saying there is something else going on and the Covid rules are for a different reason entirely.
I just wondered if anyone truly believes the government have a different agenda for extending lockdown??

Or is that the vaccine

Aliens are comin innit

The CIA was active in the wuhan region, they spread the virus, made in a laboratory in area 51, in order to embarrass trump who has been controlled by George Soros and the J*ws. Do your research!

Brexit. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy but I do believe they’re hiding the devastation Brexit will reap within the virus messaging.
Economic messaging put out by Sunak didn’t seem to mention Brexit effect at all.

No, the phone masts beam out the, er, thing that makes symptoms that look like a virus, and the vaccine contains the microchip. Do keep up.

I said this to my dh today - why the fuck would a capitalist government who worship money deliberately close down businesses for any other reason .

I don’t necessarily agree with the way the lockdowns have been implemented but I entirely blame it on incompetence not conspiracy .

It’s mainly lizards, isn’t it?

The one I heard was that the vaccine will change our DNA, so that our species will change to trans-human, or something.

I've heard it's all about testing our compliance, to gauge what else "they" could make us do...
This is what I think is one of the more realistic theories. I'm certain that governments leaped at this opportunity to test public compliance; and as others have said, they've now painted themselves into a corner with the Covid narrative, and can't row back on it without losing face. Those aspiring to be Oliver Cromwell and other dictators will have taken note of how easy it was to turn the public against each other, and how with a little fearmongering, the public swallowed the draconian restrictions in one gulp, without a shred of resistance: this worries me much more than the virus does.

Also, politicians like Tony Bliar have made it very hard for me to trust government ever: his government was a pioneer of the nanny state and health and safety mania, he was totally self-serving, and invaded Iraq on a massive lie: the Covid figures read like his dodgy dossier. Using the same tactic as Uncle Boris of leaking ideas to the press to test the water, his government floated the idea of "pay as you drive", and ID cards, but the public reacted badly to both of them, so they were quietly shelved (ready to be resurrected). Because of him, I am extremely distrustful of government in general, and I tend to take the view "the more the government talks about something, either it's false, or they're trying to distract us from something".

There’s no conspiracy, but people can believe whatever they want so long as they don’t force me to have the same views or put my family’s life at risk.

Aliens 😳

What I love with the vaccine microchip theory is that this is because ‘they’ want to track us. If ‘they’ did want to track us they could just use the bloody smart phones we all carry day in day out to do so...

The best one I’ve heard is that there’s going to be an imminent alien invasion, and we’ve all to stay inside as they’re going to steal our gravity and if we’re outside then we’ll all float into space 😂

They wanted Trump to win because he stands up for the truth

One respected, very left leaning liberal friend I have wanted Trump to win because he stands up against the people in power (apparently Bill Gates, not the president himself etc), and he stands for the truth because he questions everything . I can't be asked to follow that sort of logic tbh

But I can't help but start to feel that there are some 'conspiracy' elements to the point we're at now, in that the government are so deep into the pandemic narrative that they can't row back on it without losing face and looking even more catastrophically incompetent than they already do. So many aspects are unaddressed - such as the false positive rates/unreliability of the PCR test (see Portugal court case), the fact that excess deaths are basically unaffected, the fact that only a very small minority of 'cases' appear to be driven from hospitality and yet that is taking such a kicking, the definition of 'cases' including people who are asymptomatic.....so many features which MIGHT (at least) lead to different conclusions being drawn about the nature of the situation.

This pretty much sums up how I feel. I think with some distance from the situation these measures and lockdowns will be judged very harshly.

There is an agenda by the government, that is clear to see

1. face masks were deemed not necessary for the first 3 month of a lockdown, doctors (including one who told me to my face when on hospital ward) and scientists have all said they are no use but we still have to have them.

2. no spikes in september after eat out but spikes in schools and universities though they have shut hospitality sector.

3. they seem it unsafe to mix so many mixed households in your own home but people can work together, use public transport etc.

4. putting the majority of the north regions in tier 3 and cities like london in tier 2 though cases are dropping at higher rates in the north than london.

5. corona takes a nap when in supermarkets, after 10pm, 5 days around christmas but not in restaurants where people are seated.

6. false positive tests, people sending empty tests and stabbing muddy puddles. My friend who works in a dementia home and has said they have had 2 false positives so far.

7. anyone who dies is tested for covid and if positive, their death is put down as covid despite having other health conditions and cause of death.

8. non essential shops now opening in tier 3 just in time for everyones Christmas shopping..if it was that bad they wouldn't open.

9. they are 'allowing" households to mix over christmas though they know full well it will risk more cases but they know people will mix anyway so it's a way to keep in control.

Not so much a conspiracy, but there is a need for control, feeding us shite statistics and crashing the economy.

Shower of shite

There's also one which says covid was invented so that world governments could implement a lockdown, meaning everyone is safely at home, therefore reducing the panic when an asteroid hits.

Oh no - what are those of us in countries without lockdown to do? We're doomed .............

Not sure what it is, but something is clearly not right and in the meantime our businesses and livelihoods are being destroyed and it’s being allowed. Scary times.

@SlopesOff

My neighbour has been told that the Chinese started the virus so they could take over the world.

(I think it might take them a long time though).

Much easier to become the manufacturer of almost everything, provide finance to poor countries and thereby getting access to and ultimate control of their rare metals/gemstones/other natural resources (means they tend to be welcomed in comparison to other rich countries, who would far rather send a bunch of Black Hawks and bomb their way into control.

No need to deliberately infect anybody. Just make them have to come to you when they need computers, medical equipment, medications, phones, clothes, shoes, furniture, steel, wood, water, etc, etc. Alive but needing to get things from Chinese manufacturers, Chinese owned suppliers and mining/logging/whatever operations is far more useful than dead from Covid.

Battery powered birds aside, there's clearly a widespread political will to move towards a cashless society. And whether it is with malicious intent or not, the potential to manipulate a population who are dependent on banks and governments to access food is massive. Who's to say a corrupt government wouldn't use that for bad ends? And with the 'why would they bother microchipping us when we're all glued to smartphones anyway' argument, well you can put a smart phone down, destroy it, change it... Something under the skin is quite different. (I don't think anyone is trying to microchip populations by the way, but certainly most people have no idea of how nano technologies could be used in the human body. I certainly don't, and there are some very evil people with an awful lot of power in the world. I wouldn't say I buy into any particular conspiracy theory, but I think it's naive to think that tyranny of any kind couldn't happen to us, utilizing technology we have no idea even exists.

@bingowingsmcgee Exactly, the cashless society aspect, plus presumably having barely any businesses/jobs left equals a very scary prospect that more and more people seem to be questioning. That’s no conspiracy theory, more of a ‘Wtf is actually going on’ 🤷🏻‍♀️I can’t see how everyone isn’t worried about it all tbf, the world just turned completely bizarre since March.

the fact that only a very small minority of 'cases' appear to be driven from hospitality and yet that is taking such a kicking

I don’t think that is a conspiracy. To me the problem of transmission lies in schools but because the government has staked what little remains of its reputation on keeping schools open, it is allowing other sectors to suffer to try to compensate for its poor management of education.

I'd agree with that Mrs fezziwig. They had so long to plan something clever for schools, but did absolutely nothing at all and not even any extra funding!

the conspiracies are not debunked as they take away the attention from what "they" are really up to...

such as the false positive rates/unreliability of the PCR test (see Portugal court case)
That case wasn’t a false positive. PCR tests look for the genetic makeup of the virus and amplify it so that it can be tested. The Portuguese case was that a german tourist claimed their RNA had to be amplified so many times to find the virus that they weren’t infectious and shouldn’t have had to isolate. And the judge agreed. But they were infected; the virus was in there. Their viral load at the time of the test was low. It could have been low because they were coming out the other side but it could equally have been low because it was building. A repeat test 48 hours later would be the only way to deem that they didn’t become infectious.

My understanding anyway.