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To think that Charles and Camila are actually an example of genuine love

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Noddyandbiggerears · 25/11/2020 21:58

Yes of course I feel sorry for Diana. Yes I think being a royal has a huge impact. But they let young and are now still together and seemingly happy in their 70’s, despite a lot of shunning, negative press, etc.

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umpteennamechanges · 28/11/2020 14:15

@Oreservoir

I accept that Charles and Camilla have true love but I think they should have at least remained apart for the first 3 years of his marriage. Charles didn't ever give his marriage to Diana a proper chance. If a woman's in Diana's position was on MN now detailing her husband's behaviour he and Camilla would be vilified and LTB would be on every comment.

The problem is people often have a hard time accepting the complexities of real life...

  • Charles was a dick

And

  • Diana was not easy to be in a relationship with and was quite a damaged, difficult person

^And

-^ Di also seemed to be a genuine, warm hearted person who just wanted to be loved and was great with the public

And

  • Charles & Camilla are a real love story

And

  • What they (mostly Charles although that lunch was horrific) did to Di was unacceptably shitty

Everyone wants to 'take sides' but in reality situations are much more complex than that.

PrincessNutNut · 28/11/2020 15:12

Yes. No goodies, no baddies, just complicated human beings.

Plumbuddle · 28/11/2020 16:00

what was "that lunch"? Sorry never followed any of this at the time, only got interested in it all underlockdown (Blush)

Flibbertigibbet2211 · 28/11/2020 16:41

what was "that lunch"?
In The Crown there is a dramatisation of a scene that (in some way but probably not like that) actually happened, when Camilla took Diana out for lunch pre-wedding and asked her if she was going to hunt (i.e. go fox-hunting) when she married Charles - the point being that if Diana wasn't around at Highgrove much, Camilla and Charles would have more opportunity to see each other I assume. I wasn't keen on the way it was dramatised. The Crown's Camilla could be perceived as trying to emphasise to Diana that she (Camilla) would always know Charles better and be closer to him. I don't see the real Camilla as bitchy at all. I think she's actually quite kind and while she wanted her own relationship (of whatever sort) with Charles, I can see her genuinely trying to take a very young, naive Diana under her wing until it all went really sour.

Flibbertigibbet2211 · 28/11/2020 16:44

Charles - “does anyone know of a good non poisonous way to get rid of slugs in my vegetable garden”.

Loved this! Grin

Plumbuddle · 28/11/2020 17:07

@Flibbertigibbet2211

what was "that lunch"? In The Crown there is a dramatisation of a scene that (in some way but probably not like that) actually happened, when Camilla took Diana out for lunch pre-wedding and asked her if she was going to hunt (i.e. go fox-hunting) when she married Charles - the point being that if Diana wasn't around at Highgrove much, Camilla and Charles would have more opportunity to see each other I assume. I wasn't keen on the way it was dramatised. The Crown's Camilla could be perceived as trying to emphasise to Diana that she (Camilla) would always know Charles better and be closer to him. I don't see the real Camilla as bitchy at all. I think she's actually quite kind and while she wanted her own relationship (of whatever sort) with Charles, I can see her genuinely trying to take a very young, naive Diana under her wing until it all went really sour.
So not a real lunch. This is a terrible problem for them isn't it. I don't know how I could emotionally cope with someone traducing my life story alongside me really living it. It's so meta. The royals were already a soap story and now there is a soap about a soap. And presumably, when Harry and Meghan (or so it is predicted) get to star as themselves in the next generation episodes, the soap will be a triple take and lose all grip on reality. Seems we no longer need physics to give us parallel universes! So glad to be an anonymous nobody.
Flibbertigibbet2211 · 28/11/2020 18:29

I think the lunch really happened as a lunch, with the "hunting" question, but yes, I too am thoroughly glad to be a nobody!

Flibbertigibbet2211 · 28/11/2020 18:31

PS I wasn't there to overhear Grin But it's in one of the fairly reliable biographies, maybe the Andrew Morton one.

Tistheseason17 · 28/11/2020 19:49

This was all 30 years ago though
My point was has she been posting at the time it happened - not 30 yrs later. No one would have said it was a great love story at the time.

Unsurefuture · 28/11/2020 20:00

30 year old man manipulates 19 year old into marrying him he doesn’t love to please his family while carrying on shagging his mistress. WWYD?

I’d punch him in the face personally.

Agreed

Jillypots · 28/11/2020 23:47

They’re a perfect example of extreme selfishness, I would say.

CatAndHisKit · 29/11/2020 00:40

This is a terrible problem for them isn't it. I don't know how I could emotionally cope with someone traducing my life story alongside me really living it

Yes, it's in very bad taste and quite cruel to do this to people who ve been 'dramatized' but have no way or correcting stuff. NOt sure filns were ever made before in such situations, only if flattering to those public figures. Im sorry for Charles and Camilla that after decades of trying to do good and be good, the painful pats is being dragged up just when Charles is nearing to becoming King.

If this is someone wanting to take revenge for Diana (which I understand), they've just triumphed, this sort of concept would not have even happened before re the RF / anyone else high profile.

CatAndHisKit · 29/11/2020 00:41

*way of correcting

Roussette · 29/11/2020 06:16

Who is dragging up the painful past? Is this The Crown?
Personally I don't watch it, really not my sort of thing. The excerpts I've seen has the characters as parodies, quite ridiculous with the overstated mannerisms, and once was enough of the Charles and Di years!

MrsRogerLima · 29/11/2020 07:48

@derxa

Having said all the above, I am not ashamed to say I adored Diana warts and all. Today I watched the documentary on the seven days after her death on Netflix. I wept like a baby. For everyone involved. William and Harry. The Spencer family. And strangely enough I had a tinge of sympathy for Charles. He fought for her to come back to the UK in a dignified way and for her to have a decent funeral
This is such a warped and unhealthy viewpoint I have no words.
MrsRogerLima · 29/11/2020 08:02

Diana is dead because of a drunk driver, it isn't as if she killed herself as a result of it all.

I think it's really important to remember this. Everyone acts as if the RF drove her to suicide. She died in a car accident just like 1000's of other people. Sad for her and for her family but hardly the martyr worthy tragedy some of you grief vampires would have it be.

derxa · 29/11/2020 08:07

This is such a warped and unhealthy viewpoint I have no words. Grin
You mean you don't agree with me.

MrsRogerLima · 29/11/2020 08:14

@derxa

This is such a warped and unhealthy viewpoint I have no words. Grin You mean you don't agree with me.
No I don't agree with sobbing over a complete strangers life and death.

It's not healthy. I feel the same about any 'celebrity' situation that evokes such a strong emotional response in complete strangers.

It's grotesque and warped.

Gremlinsateit · 29/11/2020 08:23

I read elsewhere that the lunch never happened; they had already met about 2 years before and Camilla sent Diana a friendly letter when the engagement was announced. As far as I know it’s by no means clear that C and C intended to carry on their affair after their respective weddings. The Crown has made it seem that it definitely went on all through the early years of the marriage and I don’t think that is a known truth at all. I agree the Crown should come with a disclaimer.

Apparently Lady Fermoy advised Diana not to accept the proposal (if you can believe Andrew Morton) and did not pressure her to accept.

It most certainly was not the case that Charles was required to marry specifically Diana. He had already made at least one serious proposal, to Mountbatten’s granddaughter, and was turned down.

Also agree with PP - more than one thing can be true at a time.

derxa · 29/11/2020 08:56

No I don't agree with sobbing over a complete strangers life and death.
It's not healthy. I feel the same about any 'celebrity' situation that evokes such a strong emotional response in complete strangers .It's grotesque and warped.
You're not me though and you haven't had my life experiences. Me feeling very sad about someone's death and other deaths is not harming you or anyone else either. Do powerful emotions frighten you?

MrsRogerLima · 29/11/2020 09:01

@derxa

*No I don't agree with sobbing over a complete strangers life and death. It's not healthy. I feel the same about any 'celebrity' situation that evokes such a strong emotional response in complete strangers .It's grotesque and warped.* You're not me though and you haven't had my life experiences. Me feeling very sad about someone's death and other deaths is not harming you or anyone else either. Do powerful emotions frighten you?
Why would they frighten me? I have them just not for complete strangers.

The only people who know what actually happened and what's worth weeping over are those involved.

I mean feel a little sad, sure. That's empathetic and human but weeping?

PrincessNutNut · 29/11/2020 09:02

the Crown should come with a disclaimer.

It shouldn't need to, but so many people don't seem to realise it's a dramatisation and largely fictionalised, that perhaps it ought to. The barest factual events might be true (eg who married whom, who died and so on), but the conversations and characters etc are fictionalised and just writers' ideas of what might have been. I've seen people on here literally telling people "educate themselves" by watching it, as if it's a documentary.

I haven't watched it properly but I've seen clips, and it looks like it's been written and played for maximum drama, which would make sense since that's what it is: entertainment.

Weird to be doing this while most of the people involved are still alive.

AlternativePerspective · 29/11/2020 09:11

Sobbing over a stranger’s death is embarrassing.

Whatever people do in the privacy of their own homes is of course no-one else’s concern, but all these people sobbing in the streets was hideous.

I went on holiday just after Diana died, and when I got back one of my colleagues who had been on holiday before me so we hadn’t seen each other came in and said “oh nice you’re back. It’s so terrible what happened isn’t it?” I thought she must be referring to something which had happened to someone which I didn’t know about yet, so when I asked what she said “well you know? Diana dying.” I was like this. Hmm

Sobbing in the streets is just competitive attention seeking.

derxa · 29/11/2020 09:15

Why would they frighten me? I have them just not for complete strangers. The only people who know what actually happened and what's worth weeping over are those involved. I mean feel a little sad, sure. That's empathetic and human but weeping?
You think I am weeping about Diana as if I knew her and she was close to me. But that's not what I am grieving. I'm two years older than Diana would have been so she lived at the same time as I was growing up and enjoying life. And then my brother died young. That era was over. We are encouraged nowadays to acknowledge our emotions and express them. The #bekind mantra rings hollow when I read posts like yours. Anyway I don't know why I'm engaging with you. I don't know what you're trying to do. Stop me feeling sad?

Cygne · 29/11/2020 09:17

Eventually she tragically died young, all his fault as his actions were responsible for her turning into the person she was instead of the personality she should have been

Absolute nonsense, @Buryan. Nothing that Charles did to her forced her to get into a car driven by a drunk driver and fail to put her seatbelt on.