To ask if you approve of the pay rise for nurses and doctors?

[Retiremental]

Blown away by some of the negativity on a ‘Health care professionals’ facebook group which seems to be populated by anything BUT HCP’s

@Denthelp

I think it should be based on performance not title. Some medical staff have absolutely earned it (and more). Some have used the pandemic as an excuse for bad service.

Who would quantify and how would you quantify good performance. One person’s excellent service is another person’s shit service.

COVID isn’t surely the only reason people in any role deserve a pay rise.
I can testify that the physios and OTs have always made more of a difference to my daughter’s life than doctors. The neonatal nurses certainly did.
But here’s the problem.. everyone has different experiences of who has helped them most, depending on their needs.
Some doctors are shit (done are also perverted creeps, but let’s not go there), some nurses are lazy, some HCPs are utter cunts.
But without pay rises people can’t keep on top of inflation rises.
It’s not a case of the nice ones deserve it, or those who’ve been up close with obvious coronavirus cases.. without all the people who work (effectively) for the public, we shouldn’t call the UK a State that respects public service. And we should be that!

Where I work those jobs are regularly done by nurses. Sure it’s nice to have a Porter but in a true life or death situation we don’t wait we literally run with beds if need be. Nurses have been underpaid for so long because ignorant people have no understanding of or respect for our skill set. And they no we'll never strike. Practically every other profession on the planet will strike for better pay and conditions but we won’t unless pushed to beyond breaking point and the powers that be know it.

Florence night shade “ When it really comes down to life and death it’s drs and nurses you want not any of the ahps. They have their uses of course they do but they do not deserve to be higher paid than the ones that literally keep you alive”

As an AHP none of my team had time to do tictok/YouTube dances in full PPE in empty rooms. We didn’t have proper PPE, we kept our service running throughout Covid and ensured the most vulnerable and elderly in our community were cared for and safe. We do save lives and help people live their lives. I am pretty disgusted and offended by this comment. How sad for a fellow professional to be so utterly dismissive.

Dietetians have also been working long shifts on covid wards in full PPE!! We don’t just do weight loss consults etc

I’d like everyone to have a pay rise (including the private sector) but where will the money come from?

@dietitian197

Dietetians have also been working long shifts on covid wards in full PPE!! We don’t just do weight loss consults etc

The media headlines have been pretty misleading, the pay rise is for all staff. Nurses would never get a separate pay rise, sure we all share pay banding. So don't worry, you will be included

I think you’ll find it’s not just doctors and nurses. They can’t do any of their work without cardiographers, biomedical scientists, paramedics, pharmacists, midwives, and radiographers. Lots more people would start dying if there was none of these professionals.

@Ritasueandbobtoo9 not trying to be dismissive just truthful. When an ambulance pulls up outside the ED it’s not a dietician you want to meet you is it? Of course AHPs are needed but not in the same way drs and nurses are. That is just a fact that I’m sure any sensible person can recognise.

@Ritasueandbobtoo9 the vast majority of staff didn’t do tik tok etc. No need to be snippy about nurses because of 1 poster.

[quote TrappedInside2020]@LemonPeonies I think its completely unfair and ignorant to diminish the role of physios and other allied health care professionals! They work incredibly hard (particularly at the moment) and have a huge impact on their patients [/quote]
Absolutely, it was the physio who saw over my little girls recovery from respiratory illness and the one who got her off oxygen. They have an enormous impact!

Wish they'd pay us cleaners more than the min wage

I've worked in NHS and private sector.

I don't think NHS staff realise how lucky they are in terms of job security and benefits. No, the pension isn't what it was.

Lots and lots of people haven't had a payrise in years. I think DH didn't have one for eight years at one point. Also, very poor pension provision and poor job security everywhere made worse by Covid.

Nurses have had to be degree educated for years but our pay does not match other graduate professions. Nursing is not just a vocation it is a highly skilled profession that makes unparalleled mental and physical demands.

When it really comes down to life and death it’s drs and nurses you want not any of the ahps. They have their uses of course they do but they do not deserve to be higher paid than the ones that literally keep you alive

@FlorenceNightshade I assumed you were a nurse from your username but given the rubbish you spout I don’t think you can be. What is this thing about “literally” keeping people alive? Health workers (including doctors and nurses) are trained in different skills - they don’t have magical superpowers! Any decent doctors and nurses know they’re just members of a team in which everyone’s role is important.

And I would have thought you would have known that many healthcare professions are graduate level - so you’re clearly not as special as you think you are (love)

FlorenceNightshade

Sounds like you could do with working somewhere better organised if you are regularly doing stuff that is usually done by a receptionist or porter.

Do you also regularly "fill in" for the radiographers, physiotherapists, OTs, speech and language therapists, pharmacists?

Lots and lots of people haven't had a payrise in years. I think DH didn't have one for eight years at one point. Also, very poor pension provision and poor job security everywhere made worse by Covid.

I work in the private sector and haven’t had a pay rise since 2010. The culture/expectation of regular pay rises is completely alien to me.

@FlorenceNightshade You're just embarrassing yourself now.

[quote FlorenceNightshade]@Ritasueandbobtoo9 not trying to be dismissive just truthful. When an ambulance pulls up outside the ED it’s not a dietician you want to meet you is it? Of course AHPs are needed but not in the same way drs and nurses are. That is just a fact that I’m sure any sensible person can recognise.[/quote]
I rang 111 and we were being assessed for an ambulance for my < 12 month old baby as he wasn’t keeping anything down for over 24 hours, high fever etc - they decided to send a dietician down first while waiting for the 30min call back as she was around the corner. This man basically used witchcraft to manage to get electrolytes in my son and so my call was downgraded to a GP visit a few hours later.

@MrsFezziwig I think you’ve misunderstood my point about nurses being degree educated. That is a relatively new requirement and means all nurses are now required to have a degree not a diploma. That puts us on a par with the other ahps but most of them are band 6 not 5.

[quote FlorenceNightshade]@Ritasueandbobtoo9 not trying to be dismissive just truthful. When an ambulance pulls up outside the ED it’s not a dietician you want to meet you is it? Of course AHPs are needed but not in the same way drs and nurses are. That is just a fact that I’m sure any sensible person can recognise.[/quote]
Of course not because that isn't their job. However if I had the misfortune to ever end up ventilated in ICU, I hope a dietician is available to sort out nutrition to ensure I survive. This is every bit as important as the anaesthetist and medical doctors input.

@FlorenceNightshade Can I ask roughly how long you’ve been qualified?

@GrumpyHoonMain that’s amazing! Glad your baby was ok. Bet that it made that dieticians life!

@Retiremental long enough to know that this “pay rise” won’t be enough. They could double NHS wages across the bands (not some management though imo) and it wouldn’t be enough for what we deal with on a daily basis even without covid.

Why?

@LemonPeonies

Drs and nurses are the ones who literally save lives so yes, more so than physios etc PP

I'm an AHP and I save lives every day. Just because it may not be in the traditional sense like a doctor, doesn't mean I don't do it. I stop people dying from malnutrition and drowning from aspiration.

How utterly devaluing and ignorant.

Not long I’d guess ...