To ask if you approve of the pay rise for nurses and doctors?

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Blown away by some of the negativity on a ‘Health care professionals’ facebook group which seems to be populated by anything BUT HCP’s

@WokesFromHome

Yes they should get a pay rise. They out themselves in the front line with no break.

As for other public sector workers. Well, I don't agree that some of them should get anything. A lot os them are working from home and have actually been total jobsworths. My county council has done nothing since Feb and are a total farce. They deserve to be sacked, let alone a pay freeze.

Really? Their teachers haven't been teaching, social workers haven't been doing safeguarding work, they haven't been fixing the roads or streetlights running school buses?

Ours have been bloody busy, delivering services almost as normal while a lot of staff were off because they were shielding (libraries and schools were shut during the first lockdown, but other stuff was happening pretty much as usual), plus they had all the additional work of making sure that vulnerable people who were shielding were adequately supported.

The project I used to work on was getting referrals from social services as normal, in fact they were bloody busy.

@BitchtitsMcFluggelhoffen

All front line public service workers should, imho. What front line actually means is another matter. Teachers are sitting ducks for the virus, as are police who are working on public order duties with demonstrations, those who have to go into a house where there's been a covid death, fire rescue, prison officers...etc Not sure where you stop.

Totally agree. However was an announcement not already made for teachers and the police getting a pay rise? Or was that all talk and no action as usual?

@ChelseaCat that is one of the stupidest statements I’ve ever read!! Nurses have had to be degree educated for years but our pay does not match other graduate professions. Nursing is not just a vocation it is a highly skilled profession that makes unparalleled mental and physical demands.

When it really comes down to life and death it’s drs and nurses you want not any of the ahps. They have their uses of course they do but they do not deserve to be higher paid than the ones that literally keep you alive

@AlrightTreacle

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE DIRECT ME TO A SOURCE THAT CONFIRMS NHS STAFF ARE ACTUALLY GETTING A PAY RISE?! AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, WE JUST ARE NOT GETTING A PAY CUT/FREEZE.

...sorry for the shouting, but I think this thread title is misleading. Unless I'm mistaken.

...I've since Googled it, and as far as I can see we might get a pay rise next year, but the amount is undecided, and won't be until 2021:

nursingnotes.co.uk/news/nhs-staff-will-awarded-pay-rise-next-year-confirms-sunak/

So I'm predicting a 1% pay increase, which would mean an extra £17 per month take home for me. Which will be nice.

For everyone saying, but what about...

Teachers? Had a 2.75% pay rise this year.

www.gov.uk/government/news/teachers-set-for-biggest-pay-rise-in-fifteen-years

Police? Had a 2.5% pay rise this year.

www.polfed.org/essex/news/2020-articles/police-officers-awarded-25-pay-rise-in-2020/

Firefighters? Had a 2% pay rise this year.
www.fbu.org.uk/news/2020/07/29/firefighters-and-control-staff-offered-2-pay-increase

Military? Had a 2% pay rise this year.

www.gov.uk/government/news/armed-forces-personnel-to-receive-2-pay-rise

I'm not saying they don't deserve these raises, of course they do. But threads like this create a "us and them" mentality, and nothing is even set in stone yet.

Ahhh, I wonder where the people in the post refers to got the £250 from! Sorry if I misled anyone.

Of course they should receive a pay rise, I think police and teachers should too.

I am a librarian and fully accept the pay freeze for public sector employees such as myself.

Doctors, nurses, teachers, police, firefighters....should all receive pay increases.

Having said that, after the last long term pay freeze...after this one, my profession is going to be so poor paying that unfortunately I will most likely need to give up the job I love for something else.

Thing is, I can afford not to get a pay rise because I'm not just starting out, but it seems shortsighted. We'll just tighten up a little bit. Won't eat out much, maybe not book a couple of UK breaks, do our own decorating, keep the car for longer etc. But right there, that's several private sector businesses, doing less business.

I understand it's across the NHS.
I absolutely agree with all those who have felt the brunt of this having a rise. There are many, many in the NHS, including some nurses and doctors who have much less stressful intensive jobs. Some specialist nurses are highly paid but work very much 9 to 5. My own DS works in IT for the NHS and while it's a skilled job it's not the covid front line.
The problem is you can only really do an across the board raise. To differentiate would be almost impossible and very bad for morale.

No

Please tell me that this pay rise doesn’t apply to GPs. Mine is terrible and this will only make them even more complacent Also, judging by the number of posts on other threads about the crap service that GPs are giving this year, I’m certainly not alone!

@privateD00r wow at no point did I say I didn't support the NHS. I also said you deserve the payrise. However, when that comes at me having to effectively take a payout because the funding can only come by increasing income tax yes I have an issue.

As for your comments about furlough being a holiday...just wow...could you be any more bitchy?

I worked all through the lockdown. I did double my hours for no more pay to help keep the supermarkets supplied so I suggest you get off your high horse.

I’m an advanced practitioner radiographer.
I report on X-Rays.
All those Covid patients that my colleagues have x-rayed in full PPE repeatedly night and day need diagnosing which I do.
It is intense.

Some of the ignorance on here is unreal. The NHS isn’t just run by ‘Doctors and Nurses’.

When it really comes down to life and death it’s drs and nurses you want not any of the ahps. They have their uses of course they do but they do not deserve to be higher paid than the ones that literally keep you alive

Well you might end up dead if you didn't have a
physio, pharmacist, radiographer, porter, receptionist, cleaner etc at the point that you needed care. The NHS is a massive team with lots of different roles, one isn't more important than the other, or more deserving of a pay rise.

I’m a health care professional. You know how much of our salary now goes towards: paying back my student loan for a degree that used to be free, insurance, registration, professional body membership, union costs, doing a masters for cpd???

@AlrightTreacle if you say so love. I wonder how many people have died because of a lack of porters.....or receptionists

@peasoup8

Please tell me that this pay rise doesn’t apply to GPs. Mine is terrible and this will only make them even more complacent sad Also, judging by the number of posts on other threads about the crap service that GPs are giving this year, I’m certainly not alone!

No, it won't apply to GPs. Most GPs aren't employed by the NHS, but are funded by it. I don't fully understand how it works tbh.

The way NHS pay works you can't just pick and choose which professions/staff groups/ individuals get pay rises and which don't. Virtually all staff (apart from doctors and senior managers) are on agenda for change pay scales - so an increase for one group means an increase for all. And that's the way it should be - we work as a team. Amy increase should include social
Care workers.

GPs are independent contractors, they are not employed by health boards.

Yes I approve. You don't watch more than 20 people die on 1 shift, deal with their relatives, and get up the next day to do the same thing again to be shat on by MPs who are having a £2,500 pay rise and an extra £10,000 for extra staffing because of covid.

I know that's not every health professional but it's enough, and if they can afford to pay serco and all their other mates they can afford this.

I was caring for covid residents on minimum wage for 12 hour days. I'm not a nurse I'm a care Assistant and would love a pay rise.

Yes I do, how have we gone from clapping one month to arguing over pay rises (which they are due anyway!) the next?
Pretty certain teachers have just had a pay rise.

No, it won't apply to GPs. Most GPs aren't employed by the NHS, but are funded by it. I don't fully understand how it works tbh.

Thank goodness for that. I would hate to see someone who gives such a sub-standard level of care (and who clearly doesn’t give a damn about their patients) get a penny more.

[quote Tinyhumansurvivalist]@privateD00r wow at no point did I say I didn't support the NHS. I also said you deserve the payrise. However, when that comes at me having to effectively take a payout because the funding can only come by increasing income tax yes I have an issue.

As for your comments about furlough being a holiday...just wow...could you be any more bitchy?

I worked all through the lockdown. I did double my hours for no more pay to help keep the supermarkets supplied so I suggest you get off your high horse.[/quote]
Where did I say furlough was a holiday??? I said I fully support furlough.

Vivana care workers, like nursery workers, should be paid more. I do think the government should step in to make this possible, you are doing the day to day care of some of the most vulnerable in our society and the pay is not up to par, it certainly isn’t inline with the expectations placed upon you.

Drs and nurses are the ones who literally save lives so yes, more so than physios etc

@LemonPeonies I think you’ve been watching too many episodes of ER. What do you mean exactly by “literally” saving lives - the ability to perform CPR?

@FlorenceNightshade

Well if there's no receptionist to book you in for your diagnostic test that finds out you have cancer, no porter to take you from A&E to the cardiac catheter lab when you're having a heart attack, then you'd be a bit fucked, wouldn't you?

Hope you're not a nurse with your shitty "I'm better than everyone else because I literally save lives" attitude.