To ask if you approve of the pay rise for nurses and doctors?

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Blown away by some of the negativity on a ‘Health care professionals’ facebook group which seems to be populated by anything BUT HCP’s

I also think that this rise is part of a three year deal already promised but might be wrong.

There does tend to be a lot of myths about the public sector in general and to read some threads on here you'd think that they don't contribute to tax at all! And the final salary pension in the NHS went a long time ago.

The public sector yet again get hammered like they were during austerity and every recession.

I am a nurse, any payrise is much appreciated

@LemonPeonies I think its completely unfair and ignorant to diminish the role of physios and other allied health care professionals! They work incredibly hard (particularly at the moment) and have a huge impact on their patients

Yes they have had a 30% paycut in real terms over the last decade. They need a payrise.

Totally agree with it!
A clap doesn't even scratch the surface of showing gratitude to them does it? So happy they will be getting the rise. Shame I don't trust the tories with our beloved NHS in the long term though.

In terms of the public sector pay freeze though, I feel sick at it. I'm a teacher myself, my sister a social worker and my husband a police officer. The fact that we will all have our pay frozen (along with others such as firefighters etc) breaks my heart after seeing the unique and individual struggles we have all experienced this year. I just see it as a continued attack on working class people

lemonpeonies
Physios have been very much on the frontline during the pandemic - especially those specialising in respiratory physio

• my friend is a physio and is often called up to paediatric icu for emergencies

It's a much more complex role than you may realise

I do and find it disturbing that its not more substantial. Rishi says more isn't justified because lots in the private sector aren't getting anything. I think he is deluded. Why compare the public sector with the private sector...

100% yes they should. God knows the horrors they’ve been through during all this.

YES my mum has been a nurse for 40 and I'll let you guess how many payrises she has had In that time

Yes. My cousin is a nurse.

Yes they should get a pay rise. They out themselves in the front line with no break.

As for other public sector workers. Well, I don't agree that some of them should get anything. A lot os them are working from home and have actually been total jobsworths. My county council has done nothing since Feb and are a total farce. They deserve to be sacked, let alone a pay freeze.

I think anyone working in the healthcare system, who has continued to work directly with patients so at risk of their own health, should get one.

Lots of other areas like supermarket workers, school staff etc in essential areas deserve one too.

No.

I'm undecided on this. So many people are getting pay freezes in the private sector and those are the lucky ones that aren't getting pay cuts or redundancies. It would be pretty unfair for the government to be putting out the message of massive economic decline, mass redundancies in private sector and then taking measures for us all to help pay it back but then give pay rises to all public sector workers who, although many have been working hard, have been the ones with the secure jobs throughout this. I think if there is a small bit of money to give it should be directed only at those in the actual front line in hospitals. So I guess I kind of agree with the proposed pay rise for some and pay freeze for others.

Genuine question- what’s the intensity of the hours and shift rotas like for the professions you’ve mentioned compared to that of doctors and nurses?

It varies in the role, as it does for nurses and doctors. I'm a nurse, I've worked 9-5 Monday to Friday for the majority of my career for the NHS. I still have a very important and necessary role which has been stretched and stressful during the Covid pandemic, as have many AHPs, admin, cleaning staff, porters etc

Yes I do, I also think the allied professions like physio and OT as well as admin staff. I know a physio that is in a hospital and treated their fair share of covid+ patients and without the admin staff, porters, cleaners etc the whole thing would collapse anyway, so them too.
Shop workers and care workers also deserve one too, but I doubt many people would be thrilled at prices for either of those services increasing so it can happen, as well as increased tax to pay back the debt we're in so I can't see it happening any time soon.

SLT here in full PPE working shifts on covid wards. Bowel and bladder nurses at home 9-5 doing telephone consults. Both valuable. But don't think all nurses are frontline and all non nurses aren't. I am actually embarrassed by it excluding fire fighters and police. But in reality we are all being hard done by and have been for years

I don’t think there should be any pay rises at the moment. It’s madness when the country has put itself into so much debt with Covid. Anyone who cares about future generations and the economy as a whole should understand that. We’ve all had it bad this year - a lot of people in many professions have suffered.

I support it, though the RCN has pointed out today that no actual rise has yet been agreed, so it may be minimal.

This is another example of the government's divide and conquer attitude, making workers turn against each other. So many groups deserve pay rises, the fact that not all are getting one means we should push for those groups to be brought up to a fair rate of pay, not that we should keep others down. What happened to levelling up?

I don’t think there should be any pay rises at the moment.

What about shareholder dividends, should they still be paid? All pay freezes do is increase inequality.

We’ve all had it bad this year

No, not everyone has had it bad. You're deluded if you believe this.

‘SLT here in full PPE working shifts on covid wards. Bowel and bladder nurses at home 9-5 doing telephone consults.’

Our continence nurses were all drafted into trust run rehab settings that were then turned into rapid discharge units from hospital.

And our SLTs have been working from home since March. There is just so much discrepancy across the country.

I don’t think pay is the issue (the part of the NHS I work with effectively had a 6 month break over the COVID period). It’s more about conditions. Spend the money sorting out understaffing and underresourcing, before paying people more.

@Twatalert

I do and find it disturbing that its not more substantial. Rishi says more isn't justified because lots in the private sector aren't getting anything. I think he is deluded. Why compare the public sector with the private sector...

Perhaps because the public sector workers constantly compare themselves against the private sector??

Before the pandemic there were 100,000 vacancies in the NHS, with Brexit fast approaching we absolutely need to pay medical professionals an internationally competitive wage. I've not heard about care workers, I know most are employed privately but government contracts largely dictate pay don't they?