To ask if you approve of the pay rise for nurses and doctors?

[Retiremental]

Blown away by some of the negativity on a ‘Health care professionals’ facebook group which seems to be populated by anything BUT HCP’s

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE DIRECT ME TO A SOURCE THAT CONFIRMS NHS STAFF ARE ACTUALLY GETTING A PAY RISE?! AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, WE JUST ARE NOT GETTING A PAY CUT/FREEZE.

...sorry for the shouting, but I think this thread title is misleading. Unless I'm mistaken.

Nurses, yes, doctors s in GPs, no, they do less now with telephone consultations than they used to (if that's possible).

I’m a mental health social worker. Haven’t had a pay rise since the pay freeze in 2008. I work for the nhs but technically paid by the council so I guess no pay rise for me and consequently pension payments will also be reduced.

[quote wonderstuff]@Everybodyfednobodydead, similar situation in schools, in fact when did get a rare pay rise this year, it was unfunded (to be paid from existing budgets) and many felt they'd rather forgo it than be working with even fewer resources as a result.[/quote]
@wonderstuff it's really sad isn't it. We work so hard to achieve these careers and the majority of genuinely love our jobs and go the extra mile. But no amount of money can pay for stable mental health and our well being has to be first

Also in reply to the phyiso comments. They are fantastic and work extremely hard. I can't even imagine how much harder my job would be without working alongside them. Same goes for admin, health care assistants, domestics, porters, radiographers, dieticians. The list is endless within the nhs. One specialty could not function without the others

@Twatalert

I do and find it disturbing that its not more substantial. Rishi says more isn't justified because lots in the private sector aren't getting anything. I think he is deluded. Why compare the public sector with the private sector...

I'm sure once the private sector is booming again the Chancellor of the day will award payrises and bonuses to the public sector in the same way that the private sector will. You know just like they have over the years....

Oh...

Funny how the comparison is only acceptable when it involves keeping the public sector low because the private sector has taken a hit

In the idea, world everybody who deserves a pay rise should get one, it should be based on performance, so if you’ve worked your socks off and put yourself at risk then absolutely you should get a pay rise, think teaching staff have a raw deal at the moment, under huge pressure and certainly the schools I know about, they are dropping like flies, but then generally public sector jobs are jobs for life and that is a privilege very few in the private sector get to enjoy at the moment.

Oh, wow, a whole 64 and-a-half pence per day.

However will they manage their new found wealth, such a generous recognition of their worth from the Government?

I think everyone deserves a payrise tbh. People have worked fucking hard and continue to do so.
Council workers delivering food parcels to shielded residents who can’t leave the house, bin workers who were working during lockdown, housing officers dealing with tenants, delivery drivers having to do all the online food shopping, I could go on to be honest.

generally public sector jobs are jobs for life and that is a privilege very few in the private sector get to enjoy at the moment

Tell that to the millions of local authority workers who are regularly facing redundancy.

The public sector and private sector generally perform different but symbiotic roles so why compare the two?

See I am divided on this.

Yes they do an amazing job, but so do teachers, social workers, home care workers, police fore service, ambulance service, military personnel to name a few...all public sector workers, all doing very thankless take and underpaid for it.

However, as a private sector worker in a key industry through the pandemic I am not likely to get a payroll anytime soon. Not had one since 2008 and the financial crash without moving jobs. I ha e worked through it, I have put myself at risk and whilst I don't in principle disagree that those key public sector workers are more deserving the only realistic way it can be funded is by increasing taxation. This mean that those of us in the private sector will effectively take a pay cut to fund their payrise. And that is where I have a problem agreeing that it should happen.

There is already talk of increased levels of taxation for those on salaries over 19.5k to fund the furlough scheme. I can't afford to live if that tax rise happens. I am not entitled to UC unless they increase the threshold dramatically so honestly if it means I have to pay more tax to fund it then no, I am very sorry but I don't agree it should happen.

Apologies for the appalling typing my phone has a mind of its own

@Iggly

I think everyone deserves a payrise tbh. People have worked fucking hard and continue to do so. Council workers delivering food parcels to shielded residents who can’t leave the house, bin workers who were working during lockdown, housing officers dealing with tenants, delivery drivers having to do all the online food shopping, I could go on to be honest.

Most of the people you mention haven't actually saw much of a change to their job role though, have they? Maybe the council workers, but I imagine some prefer delivering parcels to a doorstep to some of their usual work! I would love to be doing that right now to be honest.

I am not saying those people don't deserve a payrise, but I don't see how it means that NHS staff shouldn't get one?

It is important to to remember that the government don't grant pay rises for the private sector, so there isn't much point in bringing private sector employees into the discussion. That is for their unions/employers to look at.

Yes we deserve a pay-rise. Our pay has dropped in real terms the past 10 years, and many of us (I appreciate not all) have risked our own health this year and carried on working in extremely difficult circumstances.

Yes I don't deny the economy is fucked. But when for example you see Amazon raking in billions this year and still avoiding millions in taxes, I'm not sure NHS staff wages should be plugging the deficit. I wonder how many private companies who have been kept going this year from furlough money from tax-payers will agree to paying higher business tax rates when this has settled down to try and pay some of this deficit back, or how many private companies who have furloughed their staff will still be giving their CEOs huge bonuses this year?

Most of the people you mention haven't actually saw much of a change to their job role though, have they? Maybe the council workers, but I imagine some prefer delivering parcels to a doorstep to some of their usual work! I would love to be doing that right now to be honest

Ah and you lay bare your ignorance 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m mentioning the private sector because of those who are saying that the private sector doesn’t get a payrise so why should the public sector. I strongly suspect that those at the top in the private sector do, while they squeeze the pay of the lowly workers.

As ever it’s a race to the bottom.

I say everyone should get a payrise including the NHS.

If you want the economy to grow, you put more money into the hands of the majority. They’ll spend that money, which keeps businesses afloat, and grows a stronger economy.

@Tinyhumansurvivalist

See I am divided on this.

Yes they do an amazing job, but so do teachers, social workers, home care workers, police fore service, ambulance service, military personnel to name a few...all public sector workers, all doing very thankless take and underpaid for it.

However, as a private sector worker in a key industry through the pandemic I am not likely to get a payroll anytime soon. Not had one since 2008 and the financial crash without moving jobs. I ha e worked through it, I have put myself at risk and whilst I don't in principle disagree that those key public sector workers are more deserving the only realistic way it can be funded is by increasing taxation. This mean that those of us in the private sector will effectively take a pay cut to fund their payrise. And that is where I have a problem agreeing that it should happen.

There is already talk of increased levels of taxation for those on salaries over 19.5k to fund the furlough scheme. I can't afford to live if that tax rise happens. I am not entitled to UC unless they increase the threshold dramatically so honestly if it means I have to pay more tax to fund it then no, I am very sorry but I don't agree it should happen.

The furlough scheme was wonderful, I fully support it and don't mind having to pay extra taxation to cover it. What a shame though that you begrudge us NHS staff an extra 12p per hour.

Unfortunately yes, you do pay tax to contribute to our wages. Personally I think it is a great system compared to the likes of America. If you don't agree with the NHS then perhaps lobby your MP for it to be privatised? Otherwise, you might need to just accept that our wages are paid for from public funds, including the occasional 12p an hour payrise.

Don't worry, it won't be paid on all the hours we work, as most of our overtime is unpaid.

Of course they should have a pay rise. No one should struggle to pay bills and the more spare money people have, the more they can spend on leisure, holidays, etc to help those who rely on jobs in those sectors. There is a petition for a rise for Civil Servants, it was launched prior to the announcement today. If you want to sign it, it is here petition.parliament.uk/petitions/328754

This mean that those of us in the private sector will effectively take a pay cut to fund their payrise. And that is where I have a problem agreeing that it should happen

I’m not hearing many public sector workers begrudge those workers (mainly private sector) who effectively got a holiday on furlough while they carried on working....

Oh but I guess that’s ok right

At the end of the day, the public and private sector are two sides of the same coin. You don’t really have one without the other unless you want to live in an unregulated Wild West.

So why don’t people respect each other on both sides and instead work out who the real problem is here

Does anyone know how much the pay rise actually is?

@justchecking1

Does anyone know how much the pay rise actually is?

The post the op refers to is stating it is £250 for the year, so around 12p an hour according to my calculations. So not exactly something worth all the angst on this thread. I am not in the least bothered and as I previously stated I would rather it go to into providing more staff!

However it is a but demoralising reading what many posters are saying about it

I’m not hearing many public sector workers begrudge those workers (mainly private sector) who effectively got a holiday on furlough while they carried on working....

Wow, you sound a right nasty piece of work.

All front line public service workers should, imho. What front line actually means is another matter.
Teachers are sitting ducks for the virus, as are police who are working on public order duties with demonstrations, those who have to go into a house where there's been a covid death, fire rescue, prison officers...etc
Not sure where you stop.

• The post the op refers to is stating it is £250 for the year, so around 12p an hour according to my calculations. So not exactly something worth all the angst on this thread. I am not in the least bothered and as I previously stated I would rather it go to into providing more staff!

However it is a but demoralising reading what many posters are saying about it *

So less than £20 a month after tax then? That won't even cover the increase in staff parking permits at our trust 🤷🏻‍♀️

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE DIRECT ME TO A SOURCE THAT CONFIRMS NHS STAFF ARE ACTUALLY GETTING A PAY RISE?! AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, WE JUST ARE NOT GETTING A PAY CUT/FREEZE.

...sorry for the shouting, but I think this thread title is misleading. Unless I'm mistaken.

...I've since Googled it, and as far as I can see we might get a pay rise next year, but the amount is undecided, and won't be until 2021:

nursingnotes.co.uk/news/nhs-staff-will-awarded-pay-rise-next-year-confirms-sunak/

So I'm predicting a 1% pay increase, which would mean an extra £17 per month take home for me. Which will be nice.

For everyone saying, but what about...

Teachers? Had a 2.75% pay rise this year.

www.gov.uk/government/news/teachers-set-for-biggest-pay-rise-in-fifteen-years

Police? Had a 2.5% pay rise this year.

www.polfed.org/essex/news/2020-articles/police-officers-awarded-25-pay-rise-in-2020/

Firefighters? Had a 2% pay rise this year.
www.fbu.org.uk/news/2020/07/29/firefighters-and-control-staff-offered-2-pay-increase

Military? Had a 2% pay rise this year.

www.gov.uk/government/news/armed-forces-personnel-to-receive-2-pay-rise

I'm not saying they don't deserve these raises, of course they do. But threads like this create a "us and them" mentality, and nothing is even set in stone yet.

No pay offer yet. I'm sure it will be small. Many physio staff leaving for better paid private work.The Rule of supply and demand suggests we should be paid more to retain us to deal with the huge waiting lists. Those waiting lists came from out patient staff completely changing roles and working 12 hour plus shift and over nights ect on ICU and other wards to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. Most physios and other AHPs now work long and extended days to allow for more out of hours appointments. Not normally past 9pm but hey if the public want to come in for an appointment about this knee at 11.30 pm on a Saturday I'm sure we would work that. Oddly people frequently wont come in on a Saturday morning because its weekend. Thought those muttering about the social hours we work might like to factor that in. The NHS is a team one part supporting the other. All staff are equally important from the consultant to the domestic.