To ask if you approve of the pay rise for nurses and doctors?

[Retiremental]

Blown away by some of the negativity on a ‘Health care professionals’ facebook group which seems to be populated by anything BUT HCP’s

For front line staff yes.
For staff behind the lines where services have not been happening No:

Examples:

ADHD Unit closed and phone consultations only between 9 and 7. Patients told to trot off to pharmacy for no and weight.

CAMHS - no face to face or tier two/three assessments.

GP practice nurses - no routine bloods, check-ups etc.

Sheep's cataract op delayed because bar has been raised. Asked about private and consultant said "no problem, £5k, fit you in on Friday

Neighbour is a consultant orthopaedic surgeon (elective procedures). At home April, May, June, July, Aug. On full pay.

So with much regret and after much consideration, not across the board. Sorry.

Sorry Step not sheep
ADHD - bp and weight at pharmacy!

Yes absolutely

But then many others deserve a pay rise too

If it is for all NHS staff then yes I fully support

Do you realise physios work on covid wards rehabilitating patients, dealing with respiratory issues in full ppe and can't leave the ward during their shifts just like the nurses and doctors?

There is more to physio than musculoskeletal injury!

As a nurse yes of course I'd love to be paid more. I slogged my guts out to get my degree. Working 40 hour placements as well as bank care assistant shifts to pay rent and provide for my children (single mum)
Also slog my guts out as a qualified nurse especially this year. But as pp has pointed out the reason most of us are at the point of exhaustion is due to lack of resources, critical understaffng etc. I'd like to see that improved first because I honestly don't believe any amount of money is worth working in the conditions and under the pressure we're in now

That was suppose to be in reply to @LemonPeonies

How it’s this pay rise working? I can’t find anything’s I am paid under agenda for change but not a nurse. Same pay scale as nurses as are most health professionals. They can’t specify nurses only. I’ve worked throughout this face to face with patients. If they get one and I don’t I will seriously consider jacking it in.

No additional pay rise for Junior doctors . The BMA negotiated 2% to be spread over three years. Others have been awarded 2.5%.

Yes, wholeheartedly support it and am delighted for them (and I speak as a public sector person who will not be getting a pay rise despite many of my colleagues also busting a gut for covid). I am, however, annoyed that the teachers’ efforts are not being recognised alongside the medics.

Massively deserved, overdue, and not enough tbh.

Announcing it at the same time as saying 1million people are going to loose their jobs is a tad insensitive I guess.

Drs and nurses are the ones who literally save lives so yes, more so than physios etc PP

This is probably one of the most stupidest thing I've ever read, it's laughable. Do you even know what allied health professionals, i.e. physiotherapists, even do? If you knew about the brain and other degenerative conditions and many others, you will value these types of professionals.

@Sewrainbow

Do you realise physios work on covid wards rehabilitating patients, dealing with respiratory issues in full ppe and can't leave the ward during their shifts just like the nurses and doctors?

There is more to physio than musculoskeletal injury!

Exactly, physio's scope is far wider than just getting someone up and about after an accident or op. The person I know had their whole team bar two of them down at one point with Covid and was also assisting doing other things the patients needed due to ward staff shortage for the same reasons.

NHS pay has been effectively cut every year since 2008. Calling it a pay rise makes it sound like we're getting something extra rather than failing to make up for the massive pay cuts of the last 12 years.

My daughter a student works for no wage whilst in placement and is asked to help due to staff shortages doing nights in a geriatric ward.now I honestly believe she should be paid
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@Didyousaynutella

How it’s this pay rise working? I can’t find anything’s I am paid under agenda for change but not a nurse. Same pay scale as nurses as are most health professionals. They can’t specify nurses only. I’ve worked throughout this face to face with patients. If they get one and I don’t I will seriously consider jacking it in.

I think it is all staff in the NHS. But you would jack in your job over a £250 a year payrise? That is pretty incredible We are talking about 12p an hour here

Like some pp I would prefer money went into recruiting more staff.

OP pretty sure I am on the same group. No one is happy! Its full of 'but what about me' or 'its not enough'. I don't think anyone on there is happy about it

Student nurse

No pay can pay back the emotional drain this virus has had on my missus, she has dealt with more death in the last 3 months than she has in her 6 year career

Also...
The OTs are needed to rehabilitate the covid patients.

The radiographers provide all the imaging in full ppe.

The pathology teams are processing samples and tests.

The SLTs will be assisting with swallowing and other complications caused ny the disease and its complications.

Other allied health professionals have been redeployed to work with other staff on covid wards.

Operating department practitioners are assisting with ventilation.

Nearly all of these people will have shifts and working hours comparable with doctors and nurses but I fortunately rarely get recognised as such, particularly by the media.

Many HCPs have retrained to assist on the covid wards in many ways and now we are also treating and maintaining services alongside the covid patients unlike during the last lockdown and we can't do any of it with out the support of cleaners, caterers, porters, IT teams and many many more.

So unless people know what individual people do in their roles they should refrain from commenting.

@RosesAndHellebores bit of a generalisation there.

I’m a nurse practitioner in a GP surgery. We’ve been working “normally” since two weeks into the first lockdown. Very little we haven’t done, and only because we’ve been told we can’t by NHS England etc. I’ve been getting busier and busier since the end of July and we are manic now.

I do appreciate that’s not the case across the board, some surgeries have been totally inadequate.

@Everybodyfednobodydead, similar situation in schools, in fact when did get a rare pay rise this year, it was unfunded (to be paid from existing budgets) and many felt they'd rather forgo it than be working with even fewer resources as a result.

[quote Sidge]@RosesAndHellebores bit of a generalisation there.

I’m a nurse practitioner in a GP surgery. We’ve been working “normally” since two weeks into the first lockdown. Very little we haven’t done, and only because we’ve been told we can’t by NHS England etc. I’ve been getting busier and busier since the end of July and we are manic now.

I do appreciate that’s not the case across the board, some surgeries have been totally inadequate.[/quote]
One of the practice nurses in my GP surgery was redeployed to ICU as she had previously worked there. The surgery back filled the post with agency. It is amazing how people like to generalise and assume primary care staff have been doing 'nothing'

Wow there is some education needed here on what physios do. They don’t just hand out crutches and do stairs assessments. Lots have been redeployed like many many staff. Some work on intensive care units (children and adults) wearing full PPE and it’s their job to keep chests clear to prevent infection and ensure adequate ventilation.

Do you seriously think the only ones deserved are the nurses and doctors? What about the porters, domestics, lab staff, mortuary staff, health care assistants, dieticians, speech and language, phlebotomists etc.

There is so much ignorance on this thread.

The pay rise (if it happens) would be for the entire agenda for change, not just nurses, so all AHP would get it. Doctors are on a different pay system, and only consultants got their last pay rise.

Damn right we should be getting a pay rise. My take home is the same as 10 years ago despite going up 2 bands!
Oh and yes I worked throughout COVID first wave in ITU. It was bloody horrendous and not something anyone out of the NHS would have gone through. Those arguing - did you knowingly go to work with people who were harbouring the current pandemic virus? Doubt it, unless you are NHS staff.

I do not agree that other emergency services should get a pay freeze, although they have been fortunate enough to secure better pay in previous times.

@Nackajory

NHS pay has been effectively cut every year since 2008. Calling it a pay rise makes it sound like we're getting something extra rather than failing to make up for the massive pay cuts of the last 12 years.

This is a key point often forgotten. Public sector pay has been either frozen or increased below the percentage of private sector pay for over 10 years. You can't claim to be aligning the two without taking this into account.