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How to deal with in laws who don’t appreciate the seriousness of racism

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StrugglingAndConfused · 22/11/2020 21:30

Hi everyone,

This is something that’s been hanging over me for a while and I thought I could do with the opinion of people who understand family dynamics.

I married my husband a couple of months ago. Should have had a wedding in June but we cancelled because of corona so went ahead with a micro wedding after I found out I’m pregnant. I’m now 20+4.

I come from a Middle Eastern background and am Muslim. DH is white. For around a year we were told that DSIL’s husband (ie DH’s sister’s husband) won’t be coming to the wedding because he has depression and can’t deal with big crowds. At the start of this year DSIL admitted to DH that was actually a cover story. The reality is her husband won’t be coming because he’s against our relationship. He thinks DH shouldn’t be marrying me. Essentially, he has an issue with our relationship. It’s not clear if it’s because I’m Muslim or Arab (or both) but either way he has an issue with my background and who I am and was boycotting the wedding (yes, seriously).

In hindsight during the handful of times I’d met him before he was never friendly with me, but I assumed that was his personality and never questioned it. DH noticed it too but didn’t think much of it either.

After all this came to light, DH told DSIL that he will never put me in the same room as her husband again, and if he does boycott the wedding then his relationship with him is over. He very much had my back.

Corona happened and wedding was cancelled. We eventually decided to have the micro wedding. DH’s parents tried to persuade DH to invite his BIL and DH made it clear that he is invited by virtue of being married to his sister, but he’s not going to expressly call him and invite him.

DH’s two year old nephew (DSIL’s son) was meant to be a page boy but about 3 weeks before the wedding DSIL called DH to tell him her husband is not letting their son come to the wedding (in hindsight, it was for the best - she was able to enjoy the day without looking after a toddler).

One issue that happened in the run up to the wedding is the MIL was very vague about whether or not she invited her brother (DH’s uncle) to the wedding. She kept saying she did but played dumb as to whether her email reached her brother. Finally, when numbers were increased which meant we could have more people, she said “now I can invite my brother”. Both DH and I noticed that and to me, that implied she never actually invited him. After the wedding, we were staying at MIL and FIL’s house whilst they were away and I came across a note they had written. I was looking for a pen (genuinely!) and saw a piece of paper with their thoughts on the wedding guest list. As numbers were very limited, it said that DH and I should personally invite DSIL’s husband, and he can take the place or MIL’s brother. Essentially, they decided that we should go out of our view to make DSIL’s husband feel welcome, at the expense of having her own brother at our wedding, who we really wanted there. We should have invited him ourselves tbh and that’s where we went wrong. I told DH I found this note a couple of weeks later and he essentially didn’t believe me. He kept saying “my mum wouldn’t lie to me”. Being honest, that hurt - he essentially thought I was lying. I’ve not brought it up since.

My issue now is that I am genuinely struggling with the lack of support from my in laws over the racism and islamophobia that is targeted at me. They know we never intend to see DSIL’s husband again, but I’m struggling with their lack of outrage. DSIL has never said anything to me at all about her husband, so I find it so awkward that we’ve had to meet her outside in parks and she’s never once said “sorry about my husband”, or even acknowledged it to me. In fact, she told DH her husband has his reasons for his views, as though she was justifying it.

With MIL and FIL, they also made excuses for him. “Oh his business failed so his head isn’t in the right place”, and so on. When we were told the news about DH’s nephew not being able to come, we were with them. I actually cried and had to excuse myself and when I came back in the room, there was no sense of outrage or disgust at his behaviour. Or even, “I’m sorry you’re upset”. They didn’t acknowledge it.

And that’s what I’m struggling with. DH says his parents are in their 70s and never really knew or mixed with anyone who wasn’t white, so they don’t appreciate how much racism gets to me and hurts me. But to me, failing to speak out against it is allowing it to happen and is the same as being complicit. I just feel no one has ever said to DSIL’s husband “this is not ok and you should be disgusted and ashamed”. They talk about him around me like he’s part of the family, which I know he is, but it’s like they don’t care. I know their priority will always be their son and daughter, so my hurt will matter less to them, but I’ve lost so much respect for them over this. DH will be devastated if he knows this because otherwise, his parents are lovely and go out of their way to make me feel welcome.

But once I lose respect or don’t like someone, I can’t hide it. If you’ve upset me or hurt me, I can’t be fake nice to your face. As much as I try to be normal, I come across cold and distant and that the most I can do if I try hard! DH is upset that this is potentially causing a rift between me and his parents and sister, but I just don’t know what to do.

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 23/11/2020 08:26

He needs to be on your side a lot more and not minimise or try to explain away other people's racism

grapewine · 23/11/2020 08:34

Your husband should have your back a lot more and not implicitly accuse you of lying. His loyalty should be to you. If he can't do that, I'd question the relationship rather than enduring and letting my child grow up in this environment.

Melaniaswig · 23/11/2020 09:01

You’re never going to change the attitude of a 70 year old.

@AmandaHoldensLips I think unfortunately there will always be people with racist attitudes. I don’t think we can even blame it on a generational issue. It’s disgusting and there is no excuse for it.

OP don’t let this come between you and your husband or spoil the rest of your pregnancy. I would try and concentrate on your growing family and enjoying your new life adventure. What’s happened is something that will always be there. It will be interesting to see what these people are like when you have your baby.

PopsicleHustler · 23/11/2020 09:26

Page boy in a nikkah??? Never heard of that before....

PopsicleHustler · 23/11/2020 09:29

I'm assuming your dh is non Muslim and you did a traditional wedding. Not an Islamic one.

Stripesnomore · 23/11/2020 09:36

I hope your in laws become kinder to you and I am sorry you are going through this.

The most concerning part is your DH’s lack of support over the note.

As for SIL’s racist husband, racist people are usually nightmarish in other ways as well, and I wonder what other impact he has on the family.

I hope things work out for you.

Flowers
Clavinova · 23/11/2020 09:39

It seems a bit hasty to me to cut ties with your PIL (as advised by some posters), when you posted; "otherwise, his parents are lovely and go out of their way to make me feel welcome." Not sure what the solution is though.

WorraLiberty · 23/11/2020 09:42

DH’s parents tried to persuade DH to invite his BIL and DH made it clear that he is invited by virtue of being married to his sister, but he’s not going to expressly call him and invite him.

What happened to your DH 'Never putting you in a room with your BIL' again?

That and refusing to believe what was on the not you found, makes me question just how much your DH does have your back.

If he's not completely on your side, you could have a very difficult marriage ahead regardless of how your inlaws feel about their racist son in law.

WorraLiberty · 23/11/2020 09:43

*note

user1471565182 · 23/11/2020 09:52

Id get away from all of these fucking yokels. Hes obviously pathetically desperate to turn it into a big thing. Sister in Law is disgusting as well.

faw2009 · 23/11/2020 09:57

My BiL is racist, posted awful things on facebook. Never directly to me though, and has always been civil. He does have other issues, and we have hardly any contact. My FiL apologised for the facebook posting, but honestly, those are BiL's true colours.

I agree with PP who said rise above it, stay civil. Make sure you DH has your back. Were your in-laws possibly trying to initiate some kind of misguided reconciliation by wanting to invite BiL? It's really hard, you're newly married, pregnant... sorry you're in this situation.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/11/2020 10:00

DH is upset that this is potentially causing a rift between me and his parents and sister, but I just don’t know what to do. So he bloody well should be! But that isn't your fault. It is all on them.

You need to clear the air between you and DH. He needs to know that you are upset by his family's actions and don't feel at all comfortable with them knowing that this is how they/some of them feel about you. Tell him clearly thathe cannot blame you for this, he has to see that this comes from them/BIL and that his DSis and DM are facilitating it, being complicit by expecting you and him to just accept BILs attitude.

How the hell couldn't you be upset by it for fuck's sake?!?!?!

If your DH can't acknowledge that, he deosn't have to do anything particularly, he just has to acknowledge that this is the position you are in, then this will fester between the two of you!

Once your Dh has acknowldged this is actually what is happening it will be easier for the two of you to come to some arrangement about family visits etc.

Best of luck.

DimidDavilby · 23/11/2020 10:07

You're not causing a rift. They are causing a rift by tolerating such shitty behaviour they are basically condoning it. I would not be putting any effort into the relationship. Let your dh see them alone. So sorry this sounds very stressful and upsetting Flowers

user1471565182 · 23/11/2020 10:08

70 isnt even that old anymore ffs. My mum is 70 and rips into racist people.

thetemptationofchocolate · 23/11/2020 10:17

I agree with Dimid this is not of your doing at all. There's a big problem in that family and it really isn't your job to fix it. Your husband has a choice to make here, and I hope for your sake that he picks the right one.

dontdisturbmenow · 23/11/2020 10:19

But to me, failing to speak out against it is allowing it to happen and is the same as being complicit
That is not fair. They are older and probably don't want to be part of a conflict knowing that they won't be able to change the way these people feel.

They have welcome you in their lives and that's all that should matter. They hold no responsibility for other more distant family members attitudes.

Your expectation of your PIL is not fair on them. Just appreciate that most of the family welcome you and if there are idiots who can't be happy for your OH and you, then that's their problem and you don't need them in your life.

Mischance · 23/11/2020 10:27

I am so sorry that you have this dreadful situation cluttering up your mind when you have the joy of your new baby on the way. I feel outraged on your behalf.

I am sure that you have dealt with racist issues at other times; but to have this inside your new family is very hard.

The person who said that your SIL's OH is only a bit player in your life is quite right; and the most important thing here is that this is not allowed to spill over into your relationship with other family members, who clearly find themselves between a rock and a hard place. For instance your OH's parents probably feel deeply embarrassed by all this, but do not want to finish up having to cut their DD and her silly spouse out of their lives - they want to be around to support their DD, especially as she is married to a prize dick.

It is undoubtedly true that OH's parents are a different generation when things were very different indeed, but that is no excuse for not trying to change with the times. Confession: I am a different generation too, but take great delight in seeing the attitudes with which I was brought up changing for the better. I am acutely aware of how very different attitudes are - I was just thinking this the other day when watching TV and seeing the number of women and ethnic minorities there - you really would not have seen this when I was a girl. I never expected to see such a huge change of attitude and it gives me greater faith in human nature and the possibilities of change. Your BIL is the exception to the rule now - please take heart that he is not worth your attention. New baby and new marriage are where your focus needs to be, and this truly dreadful man needs to be ignored.

I think you should try and forgive your in-laws - they are in a terrible bind here, caught between caring for their own DD and doing the right thing.

I have a strong suspicion that things will ease when they see your lovely baby and fall in love with him or her; and it is important that this burgeoning family rift is not allowed to impinge on your new baby as he/she grows up.

Hope all goes well with pregnancy and birth.

Brainwave89 · 23/11/2020 10:31

I am of South Asian heritage and have a white English husband. When we decided to get married my potential MIL asked my now husband to be husband if he was sure that I did not just need a passport. My husband went ballistic and was very clear that he would not hesitate to not invite her to the wedding. She apologised and over time we developed a very good relationship. I cared for my father in law until he passed away from cancer last year. Racism is always wrong, and my experience is that if you tolerate it in any way you make a rod for your own back. If you placate your BIL now, imagine how it might be when children arrive, and what family gatherings might be like going forward. Be very clear that your BILs attitude is hurtful, inappropriate and you and your new husband will not adapt or accommodate racism.

TheVanguardSix · 23/11/2020 10:43

Being 70 is the worst excuse ever for being a racist. A 70-year-old was a 20-year-old when MLK gave his last speech, I've Been to the Mountaintop. A 70-year-old pretty much came of age at the height of the Civil Rights Movement. My mom is 84 and taught in a desegregated school in America in the 1960s. Age is not an excuse for racism ever.
The 1958 race riots in Britain was a catalytic moment in Britain's own Civil Rights Movement which gave birth to the Race Relations Act of 1965. Your PILs were young adults. They were there when all of this was unfolding. They could not have been underneath a rock.

Sorry for the pop-up history lesson, but it burns me up knowing that people who were young and there at the apex of the Civil Rights Movement can and do breed racists. This will never go away, sadly. And that's what you're dealing with within your DH's family and I am so sad to read this.

Your PILs are lovely, you say. Well, it sounds like they think exactly the same of you, OP. But even if they are not outwardly racist, they are enabling racism within their dysfunctional family because they don't want conflict. But by not confronting the issue and by skirting around your BIL's views and treatment of you (which is indirectly horrible, making it worse in many ways because he avoids facing the necessary confrontation and so it goes on and on, festering: His racism, your sorrow and feelings of exclusion and otherness) you feel thrown under the bus by even those you consider loving and lovely. And you lose trust. If your DH doesn't have your back, wholly and truthfully, you'll resent him, if that isn't happening already.

Your DH needs to grab you by the hand and never let go. He must be your person of trust. You may never enlighten a racist. You may never fix that dysfunctional element within your DH's family. But in your own home, you two can set the example and be the powerhouse of truth that his family is not. It won't be smooth and the years will present multiple challenges with DH's family, but if your DH can be your steady, unfaltering rock who can uphold his unyielding support for you and the children you will have, you will be more than alright. You don't have to accommodate the racism. But you will learn to accommodate the difficulties that come with having a racist twat for a BIL by avoiding certain family gatherings and the like. It's a shame that it will come to that, but actually, it may give you and your DH room to grow and breathe without his family constantly being in the picture.

Do you have a supportive, loving family yourself, OP? Are they local?

user1471565182 · 23/11/2020 10:51

Im not shocked by the minimising of racism on here at all. Its usually worse.

UmmH · 23/11/2020 11:21

@PopsicleHustler

Page boy in a nikkah??? Never heard of that before....
I had a page boy at mine! My best friend's son in an adorable morning suit.
UmmH · 23/11/2020 11:28

Age is no excuse for racism. People should know right from wrong, and if not then no one is too old to have it explained to them, unless they are suffering senility. Stand firm, OP and if necessary demand to know exactly what BIL's problem is. That way it'll all be out in the open and no one will be able to continue making excuses for him (hopefully).

PopsicleHustler · 23/11/2020 11:29

Asalam alaikum @ummH

What was the page boys role. Am confused lol. Help a sis out

PopsicleHustler · 23/11/2020 11:31

Here here @thevanguardsix

5zeds · 23/11/2020 12:04

Page boys role=look cute in a suit and feel very important

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