To find these covid snitching threads terrifying

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Student house party. 75% voted for OP to call police.

Really?

I think this thread is chilling proof at how far we've fallen in a society within such a small amount of time. Less than a year with constant media brainwashing, all of us essentially under house arrest, and look at us. Clearing out supermarkets and calling the police because "it's the right thing to do" and "they're putting society at risk".

Who else would you have turned in?

At what other point in history would you have colluded with the government to "do the right thing", without any thought for your fellow humans just being people?

They are students. They are broke, they have been confined to their box rooms almost a whole year. Have some heart for christs sake.

And by the way, I do believe in covid. I believe in staying home and wearing masks and doing the right thing. I would never grass though. Ever. And that goes for covid antics, benefit fraud, whatever. I believe people sometimes do what they need to do to survive physically or emotionally.

I think its terrifying what society has become in less than a year.

Who would have thought we would be living on a world where you would be standing in a little yellow circle traced out on a supermarket floor, and not an inch over if you please, else you'll be reported as a health threat!

Is this our world now? In which young lonely people are turned in and fined for spending time together?

I'm not advocating for student parties, I'm advocating for looking away when you see one.

@Newuser991

Don't think the state will want to hand back all the freedoms they took away now that they know just how many people are happy to give up.

Is this the British state? Or the Chinese state? Or the Bill Gates state? Or is Trump in charge? Am never quite sure who is ultimately in charge of the world wide conspiracy. #wibble

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

It was altj that said it, not op.

'I'd love a big party around here, the git in 138 would be going fucking mental. There are definitely a few around here would like to see that nosy bastard have a meltdown.'

'Git' and 'nosy bastard', 'going mental'. Nice. Or perhaps someone doing his best and frustrated when flouters do what the fuck they like then wang on that the Government should be doing something!!

a party yes i would phone the police my neighbour having her son round as she is no

comparing it to helping the nazis is disgusting

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'My colleague told me a horrible example this week. Her friend who was 51, a wife and mother died suddenly. Someone went round to visit the family that day to offer support and the police were called out. The stasi would have thrived in today’s climate.'

That is weird. I'm really surprised the police even went.

Anyway, if you read the thread most have said it is the big loud parties they would have a problem with. I don't care if someone visits a bereaved family and I bet the police didn't either.

'Don't think the state will want to hand back all the freedoms they took away now that they know just how many people are happy to give up.'

Oh please you think it's a government plot to stop granny coming for Sunday lunch ever again, or worse to keep the hairdressers shut??

I agree with you about the conspiracy theories however even on here , look at the thread the other day about someone wanting to report her own friend for having someone round to make a bloody cake. It's happening.

@MyPersona

They are rattling on about "freedom passes" in the news now. 2 negative tests in a week and you'll be "allowed" to live a normal life. That's nice of them!

MN really should do something about these conspiracy trolls.

It's what I've read just now. Now admittedly it's the Daily Mail, so it most likely should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt.

If you are talking conspiracy theorists, swing over to the article and read the comments, they are hilarious.

It is almost as if people don't realise that the longer they flout the regulations the longer there is a need for them. We all want things to return to normal. Providing the virus opportunities for transmission will not achieve that.

There were people who felt exactly the same about curfews and rationing in the second world war (I mention that because it is so often used by the people complaining about the current regulations to justify their actions). There will always be selfish people out there who think they understand everything about their rights and are wilfully ignorant of their responsibilities.

I've come very close! My sil is a midwife. She secretly went abroad just before this lockdown. Came home and didn't self isolate, someone else grassed her up to work! She was going to return 3 days after she came home!

[quote CakeRequired]@AltJ

I agree OP.

Students party, it's normal! It's not like it's March 2020 and Covid is terrifying, it's over 6motnhs on, the death rate is less than 1% (and most of those people are over 70), everyone is sick of lockdown.

I didn't put words in your mouth, those are your words from your first post that has now been deleted. Forgetful are we? You say there that it's mostly over 70s that are dying, that makes it OK then? Students can keep partying as long as it's not you dying? [/quote]
I was pointing out that Covid is not as terrifying as it was when we first heard about it and it seemed to be an ebola-like terror. And that students, who are presumably much less than 70, might feel that they are less at risk of problems, so as time goes on will take more risk.

Where did I say that elderly people should be left to die? Where did I say elderly people shouldn't be given ventilators?

I think you are purposefully twisting what I have said to these ridiculous things as everything I have said has been right. You can't take down what I have said, so you have to make me seem like some sort of elderly people serial killer. Same as the person who tried to say I was antisemitic.

Hysterical flailing because you know you are wrong.

comparing it to helping the nazis is disgusting

Yes, and let’s face it wrong. Seeing as how it was the Nazi’s causing the deaths.

Whereas people who report illegal parties to the police are not generally murderers.

And FWIW the police action, at least here is to advise and encourage before enforcement, so I’m really struggling to see the problem with making them aware of a party.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'I'd love a big party around here, the git in 138 would be going fucking mental. There are definitely a few around here would like to see that nosy bastard have a meltdown.'

'Git' and 'nosy bastard', 'going mental'. Nice. Or perhaps someone doing his best and frustrated when flouters do what the fuck they like then wang on that the Government should be doing something!!

Oh, they started well before this pandemic. This is the gift that keeps on giving for them.

They deserve everything they get.

[quote SchrodingersImmigrant]@MillieVanilla see, THAT is shitty. Properly shit from the guy who reported you.[/quote]
I think I lost respect I had for at the very least our local police at that point. They just showed us utter contempt, demanding to know who gave us permission and why and they wanted their name and contact details and they really did lord it over us. I told them several times that by opening the outdoor area we would be stopping people travelling 25 minutes to the nearest other help hub. One was so sneering, kept asking if we were sure we had clean records and that he didn't care who said we could he hadn't.
I do tense up when I see a police car nearby now as I'm worried that helping out has left me open to fines at will now. I know our coordinator has raised a complaint.

'It is almost as if people don't realise that the longer they flout the regulations the longer there is a need for them. We all want things to return to normal. Providing the virus opportunities for transmission will not achieve that.'

I know it's pitiful listening to the same folk defending flouters while in the next breath complaining about the situation as if the 2 aren't connected.

What i find more chilling is that people think they are morally superior to not care about it, when a friend i was talking to last week told me about her friends husband picking his wife up from work, and holding her in the car as she cried because 28/32 covid patients on her ward had died overnight, ran her a bath, and in the morning made her breakfast as she was getting ready to go back into work and astart over.

So no, I don't find it chilling that people report things, but I dedinitely find it chilling that people think they are above the rules and that people should be able to do as they please.

"Colluding with the government" - that's where you lost me, OP. You're alluding to regimes like in Nazi Germany but the parallels can only be made on a superficial level - e.g. individuals feeling compelled to report non-compliance. But the reasons behind it are completely different. In those times people were kept entirely in the dark as to what was going on and complied out of complete fear of thei government. With Covid, individuals have limitless information available to them from around the world, which they can use to decide where they stand on the issue and act accordingly. In most of the discussions here people have very nuanced, personal reasons for how they feel about it. The two situations just don't compare.

I'm a university lecturer too and my perspective on our student body is somewhat different.

My students are mostly terrified. Few have been attending the face-to-face sessions our government and vice chancellors have insisted from September until 'lockdown' we provide. When the academic year started they insisted, come what may, that students be compelled to arrive back at their campuses, and on many occasions be crammed cheek by jowl into crowded halls of residence. We saw what a great idea that was with the stranded (Petri dishes) cruise ships.

Then it got worse, the deprivation of the liberties of people who have committed no crime, turning halls of residence into makeshift prisons with meagre supplies (here's looking at you, MMU) and debating whether The State will be so gracious as to allow them to return home for Christmas. That's having seen the news about the fire in the halls at Bolton University. All the while, when the inevitable happens and the disease spreads, of course it must be the fault of these young people. And in these dreadful conditions some might have thrown a few parties. Well, what the hell did people expect?

Personally I don't think I have never heard of anything so outrageous in my life. As for the comments scapegoating and blaming young people - people who have been led by the nose into the situation they're now in by those now making them scapegoats for their own administrative failings - I'm dismayed to see some of those coming from fellow lecturers. I'd be tempted to suggest that those who apparently have such contempt for young people have really no business to be working with them.

It's what I've read just now. Now admittedly it's the Daily Mail, so it most likely should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt.

Repeating what you read in the gutter press and on social media and propagating misinformation makes you part of the problem.

I was pointing out that Covid is not as terrifying as it was when we first heard about it and it seemed to be an ebola-like terror. And that students, who are presumably much less than 70, might feel that they are less at risk of problems, so as time goes on will take more risk.

Where did I say that elderly people should be left to die? Where did I say elderly people shouldn't be given ventilators?

I think you are purposefully twisting what I have said to these ridiculous things as everything I have said has been right. You can't take down what I have said, so you have to make me seem like some sort of elderly people serial killer. Same as the person who tried to say I was antisemitic.

Hysterical flailing because you know you are wrong.

Why is it OK for over 70s to die because students want to party?

If students have a party, go out the next day with covid to their jobs in Tesco, other shops or even hospitals, pass on covid to elderly people or even people like you, why is that OK? It's fine because they've had it tough? Are you happy to potentially die so students can have a party? What about anyone else having a party, like a massive wedding? Is that OK to let people die for that? Where do you draw the line?

If we aren't going to draw one, then let's just stop all of this, and go back to normal. Survival of the fittest, there's no point to ventilators or any kind of help, just let people die. There's no point in bothering with any of it if people aren't going to listen to the rules. They are only temporary rules, for the survival of the most people possible, but if parties are more important, why bother?

Agreed op. Since march I've been more terrified by people's behavior and the media brainwashing that's been done to them than any virus.

I would never snitch on anyone having a party.

You're a university lecturer?!!

I'm stunned that people are paying thousands for an education from someone with that type of mentality. 'Makeshift prisons' 🙄

It's just people venting isn't it mostly?

I don't think the figures would actually run that 75% of people would report

I have a hobby group that I've kinda had to mute. I like the people involved but they use the group to discuss technicalities of how to get out of lockdown and meet up and do stuff. I wouldn't grass on them, or even think about it but I do find their behaviour pretty exasperating

Has anyone counted how many times Alt-thingy has used the word 'hysterical' on this thread?

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch

I think that's just you, and I also think that's quite a nasty comment. She's allowed to make her point, the same as anyone else on this thread. I havent seen her dish out any ad hominems

@GetOffYourHighHorse

Someone with what type of mentality?

You're disturbed a university lecturer has an opinion?

@CakeRequired
Why do you persist with this one track record of 70 year olds dying? Who is saying its okay for people to have parties? Not a single person on there has said they green light parties. People arguing on the other side are saying they disagree with the idea of reporting others in their community, not that they support parties.