To find these covid snitching threads terrifying

[CrotchBurn]

Student house party. 75% voted for OP to call police.

Really?

I think this thread is chilling proof at how far we've fallen in a society within such a small amount of time. Less than a year with constant media brainwashing, all of us essentially under house arrest, and look at us. Clearing out supermarkets and calling the police because "it's the right thing to do" and "they're putting society at risk".

Who else would you have turned in?

At what other point in history would you have colluded with the government to "do the right thing", without any thought for your fellow humans just being people?

They are students. They are broke, they have been confined to their box rooms almost a whole year. Have some heart for christs sake.

And by the way, I do believe in covid. I believe in staying home and wearing masks and doing the right thing. I would never grass though. Ever. And that goes for covid antics, benefit fraud, whatever. I believe people sometimes do what they need to do to survive physically or emotionally.

I think its terrifying what society has become in less than a year.

Who would have thought we would be living on a world where you would be standing in a little yellow circle traced out on a supermarket floor, and not an inch over if you please, else you'll be reported as a health threat!

Is this our world now? In which young lonely people are turned in and fined for spending time together?

I'm not advocating for student parties, I'm advocating for looking away when you see one.

[CakeRequired]

wow you’d have somebody sent to a labour camp for taking bread to feed a hungry child?

I never said I would, but it is a crime, or was in that story (well it still is a crime today and people do get sent to jail for that). And as I said, where do you draw the line? What if he was lying in the story, doesn't even have a sister and it was just for himself or because he just didn't want to pay? An ex contestant/winner from the great British bake off was apparently caught stealing food in a shop, is that OK? Where do you draw the line on crime?

[MarieIVanArkleStinks]

I’m amazed how much insight you have into your students psyche given that so few of then are actually doing any face to face learning.

I can't claim to comment on our students' 'psyches' but I certainly know what they tell me. Students do talk to their lecturers. They know us and we know them. Some of them actually trust us. They email us on a frequent basis. They attend our virtual consultation hours. They have individual academic advisors. If we've not seen them in online sessions for a number of weeks, we check on them. They do feel supported by their lecturers; their mid module evaluations and student committee meetings reflect as much despite the trying circumstances. They have far less faith in University management. And although voicing agreement with them openly is unproductive, unhelpful and unwise from my perspective, I do privately sympathise with that position.

There is a line between academic support (which I'm competent to give), and support with mental health issues (which I'm not). In those instances we refer them to someone with the appropriate expertise. That is a line no professional would cross.

Good to see at least one poster is kind enough to worry about the wellbeing of these students. The 'stick the traffic cone on the head of the local statue' and 'drink until we throw up' variety is still alive and well - probably a good thing, too. But most IME are responsible, not a little anxious, and as fed up to the back teeth as everyone else is with the wretched coronavirus (not least its collateral damage).

[RufustheSniggeringReindeer]

Loads of people have said they wouldn’t report their neighbour for having two people round but they would report a large party

So are they fine with small scale law breaking (loaf of bread) but not with large scale (bank heist)

[FractionalGains]

Where do you draw the line on crime?

It’s actually not zero tolerance on crime. The CPS apply a “public interest” test before prosecuting someone. I’ll apply my own version of that test. There are no hard dividing lines to be drawn anywhere when it comes to such things, and even less hard dividing lines to be drawn when it comes to covid. Nothing is black and white.

I don’t know if I’d report the party. I see the argument both ways tbh.

[CrotchBurn]

I dont believe you would report Jean Valjean, Cake. I really dont.

[CakeRequired]

@FractionalGains

It is about proportionality, but essentially calling people nazi sympathisers for wanting others to do the right thing isn't exactly right is it? Yet someone on here thought that was fine to do.

I actually would prefer the schools were shut as cases only rose once they opened again. But that won't happen and we have a vaccine being distributed soon anyway so what's done is done, may as well continue with it.

You're right though, there's lot of things that we shouldn't be doing and are. Lots of things that we can't control and just have to get on with.

[gurglebelly]

Would I report a party? Absolutely, because frankly I am so angry at the sheer selfishness of the fuckers that think their right to have a party trumps everyone else. I'm angry at people having fuck all consideration for anyone else because they want to get pissed, and the entitlement. I am angry at the impact it has on literally everyone else in the country.

I am angry on behalf my family members who have been stuck at home since March because they have conditions which mean this virus could kill them, I am angry on behalf of my friends and family who have lost jobs and businesses and are on track to lose their houses as a result of lockdowns, I am angry at the fact that we are looking at having to cancel our wedding for a third time because people have to be allowed out during Christmas so we face yet another lockdown in January (and no, I don't give a fuck about the party, I would be happy with a ceremony of just me and my fiancé but we can't even have that if we are in lockdown), I am angry for my colleague who is in agony because her surgery keeps getting postponed due to covid, all because selfish fuckers can't follow the rules because a fucking party is so fucking important. So yes I would report anything that could be a super spreader event and I hope they all get bloody fined

[Calmandmeasured1]

Unless you’re a keyworker it appears to be your fault if you get covid
Sometimes it is a keyworker's fault that they get Covid too. They aren't immune from ignoring the rules. There was a recent report in the national press of 6 nurses car-sharing and they were having to self-isolate. There were so many staff off in their Midlands-based NHS Trust due to either having Covid or isolating awaiting results and yet they still, stupidly, car-shared without wearing masks and having the windows open.

[CakeRequired]

I dont believe you would report Jean Valjean, Cake. I really dont.

Never said I would and no I wouldn't. But food is necessary, a party isn't.

But to say that a party is fine because its mostly only over 70s dying, that's what annoys me. No one's life is more important than another's. Having a party is just saying you don't care about anyone else, so why should I care about what happens to you?

[southeastdweller]

They're sad fuckers with no lives, in my opinion. The 75% of people who said they would report is no surprise at all.

[FractionalGains]

It is about proportionality, but essentially calling people nazi sympathisers for wanting others to do the right thing isn't exactly right is it? Yet someone on here thought that was fine to do

That wouldn’t be right because trying to limit covid, and trying to exterminate an entire race of people, are totally different aims. I would confidently guess everyone who would report the party is horrified by the Nazis and what they did.

If we are taking about the same poster, the point they made about the psychology of society was interesting though. How easily a government can persuade a society to turn on each other - look how many people here think that if people had followed the rules “this would be over quicker”, as though those people have caused the problem by visiting their mother as opposed to the government’s incompetence prolonging this.

Another example is the way people are led to believe that immigrants are the cause of their problems.

[IwantToDatePicard]

@gurglebelly

Would I report a party? Absolutely, because frankly I am so angry at the sheer selfishness of the fuckers that think their right to have a party trumps everyone else. I'm angry at people having fuck all consideration for anyone else because they want to get pissed, and the entitlement. I am angry at the impact it has on literally everyone else in the country.

I am angry on behalf my family members who have been stuck at home since March because they have conditions which mean this virus could kill them, I am angry on behalf of my friends and family who have lost jobs and businesses and are on track to lose their houses as a result of lockdowns, I am angry at the fact that we are looking at having to cancel our wedding for a third time because people have to be allowed out during Christmas so we face yet another lockdown in January (and no, I don't give a fuck about the party, I would be happy with a ceremony of just me and my fiancé but we can't even have that if we are in lockdown), I am angry for my colleague who is in agony because her surgery keeps getting postponed due to covid, all because selfish fuckers can't follow the rules because a fucking party is so fucking important. So yes I would report anything that could be a super spreader event and I hope they all get bloody fined

Agreed, why do students think the current rules don't apply to them. I would love to go party and get drunk but I don't because I know I need to stay away from people - we all do (including students).

[Wheresmykimchi]

@Calmandmeasured1

Unless you’re a keyworker it appears to be your fault if you get covid
Sometimes it is a keyworker's fault that they get Covid too. They aren't immune from ignoring the rules. There was a recent report in the national press of 6 nurses car-sharing and they were having to self-isolate. There were so many staff off in their Midlands-based NHS Trust due to either having Covid or isolating awaiting results and yet they still, stupidly, car-shared without wearing masks and having the windows open.

Why is nurses car sharing stupid? Would you prefer they got on a bus?

[Wheresmykimchi]

@IwantToDatePicard, students who live together in halls and are partying together IN THEIR HALLS...I'm not sure I see the issue.

[Beentherefonethat]

I wouldn’t report.

Shock horror but I’m still seeing all my friends and my one family member that lives near me.

[MarieIVanArkleStinks]

students who live together in halls and are partying together IN THEIR HALLS...I'm not sure I see the issue.

I see it clearly. It's unfiltered prejudice against young people. Your guess is as good as mine as to why.

[Whitechocolatemarshmallow]

Except no school 'has' to send the entire year group home. Why can't we just send home the infected pupil as other countries do ? Far less disruprion.

[emilybrontescorsett]

Well I've just seen 3 school aged kids all our together in close proximty walk past my house, they don't live here eirher. I know them, they are from 3 separate households. Perhaps I should call the police and report their parents. They are clearly breaking the rules.
A friend of mine was reported for allegedly having 2 lots of visitors arrive via taxi and all go into her house. The police came and when they found her sat in her garden alone, they demanded to search her house. She was baffled. Then both sets of her neighbours got reported one set are an elderly couple. Again the police came and found they were sat alone indoors. The other neighbour was working alone from home.
Apparently other neighbours had been reported too. Turns out it's the same person doing all the reporting!
Batshit crazy springs to mind.

[Wheresmykimchi]

@Whitechocolatemarshmallow

Except no school 'has' to send the entire year group home. Why can't we just send home the infected pupil as other countries do ? Far less disruprion.

Eh, because the pupils who have come into contact with them could infect other people?!

[Covidorcold]

@Beentherefonethat genuine question - how would you feel if you passed covid onto any of them?

[Whitechocolatemarshmallow]

The vast majority of the year group will not have been in close contact yet will be having to isolate at home for 2 weeks needlessly.

[RufustheSniggeringReindeer]

@Calmandmeasured1

Unless you’re a keyworker it appears to be your fault if you get covid
Sometimes it is a keyworker's fault that they get Covid too. They aren't immune from ignoring the rules. There was a recent report in the national press of 6 nurses car-sharing and they were having to self-isolate. There were so many staff off in their Midlands-based NHS Trust due to either having Covid or isolating awaiting results and yet they still, stupidly, car-shared without wearing masks and having the windows open.

My point was more that people blame you for getting covid

Their first thought is what did you do wrong...

But that point stayed in my head and didn’t make it as far as the keyboard 😀

[ddl1]

So are they fine with small scale law breaking (loaf of bread) but not with large scale (bank heist)

Most people, probably yes!

[ddl1]

The point is not just about obeying the rules. It's about how much you endanger other people.

I wouldn't have reported Jean Valjean. But if he'd taken a gun into a shop to commit a robbery, and was threatening to shoot people, I would have.

If every one of the people who attends a huge and non-socially distanced party is prepared to self-isolate for the next two weeks (which students often could if necessary), then it's up to them. But if it results in them spreading infection on a large scale, then it's a different matter.