To find these covid snitching threads terrifying

[CrotchBurn]

Student house party. 75% voted for OP to call police.

Really?

I think this thread is chilling proof at how far we've fallen in a society within such a small amount of time. Less than a year with constant media brainwashing, all of us essentially under house arrest, and look at us. Clearing out supermarkets and calling the police because "it's the right thing to do" and "they're putting society at risk".

Who else would you have turned in?

At what other point in history would you have colluded with the government to "do the right thing", without any thought for your fellow humans just being people?

They are students. They are broke, they have been confined to their box rooms almost a whole year. Have some heart for christs sake.

And by the way, I do believe in covid. I believe in staying home and wearing masks and doing the right thing. I would never grass though. Ever. And that goes for covid antics, benefit fraud, whatever. I believe people sometimes do what they need to do to survive physically or emotionally.

I think its terrifying what society has become in less than a year.

Who would have thought we would be living on a world where you would be standing in a little yellow circle traced out on a supermarket floor, and not an inch over if you please, else you'll be reported as a health threat!

Is this our world now? In which young lonely people are turned in and fined for spending time together?

I'm not advocating for student parties, I'm advocating for looking away when you see one.

Complaining about grasses and the police?. Do you read a lot of Martina Cole

"If you are capable of understanding my posts, you'd appreciate that I'm saying the two things are literally the same, of course they aren't. The students aren't Jews hiding from Nazi's. What I AM saying is the impulse to report, to control and punish others because that's what the government has told you to do, which makes you 'good' and others 'bad' is the same psychological process."

I'm only highlighting this because one of the first people on this thread to say that they would report was @iVampire . She is very capable of speaking for herself, but your last sentence is illustrative of the kind of misunderstanding of motive that is rife in these polarised conversations.

In this case, iVampire has a blood cancer, is therefore ECV, and has a child in sixth-form from whom she is supposed to physically-distance in her own house.

Do you really think that her motivation is some kind of knee-jerk, deep-state-led, malign sheepliness?

Leaving aside your immediate resorting to Godwin's Law and general callousness, your understanding of nuance of motive is sorely lacking.

50% of people agree with her. The intelligent half of society.

So your 'intelligent' side of society is fine with letting people die because they are old? OK then let's just be done with the rules, all go back to normal and just go with the idea of survival of the fittest. If you catch it, good luck to you, no ventilators or anything.

A healthy 11 year old child died of covid? Did she say he was healthy?

Perhaps he had underlying medical conditions. Would that make it ok then?

Or perhaps he had undiagnosed underlying conditions which he didn’t know about.

There was a report somewhere in the 1st lockdown about a thirteen year old who had died. It was said that “healthy children are dying,” and then it turned out that he had an underlying medical condition which had not been diagnosed but which put him at higher risk. And once that was known the world suddenly went quiet about it.

I didn’t find out I had a serious congenital heart condition until I caught the flu four years ago and the virus attacked my heart. And then I ended up with not only the knowledge of an existing heart condition, but a couple of others into the bargain. Some cardiac arrests, a couple of visits by the defibrillator, some weeks in ICU and eventual surgery to buy me some time before I will deteriorate to the point I will need to go on the transplant list.

If I hadn’t had that experience I would have been one of those saying that I wasn’t too concerned because I don’t have any underlying medical conditions.

Just because you think that you’re healthy, doesn’t mean that you are.

Depends what you class as a party - small group who live in the same flat anyway, yes, unreasonable as they are classed as a bubble and can do what they want. But large group of students from multiple different flats having a full on party - why wouldn't OP report that? People would have phoned the police for students having a large and noisy party late at night well before covid!

I feel really sorry for 18 y/os and think they have probably been, as a single-year age group, the ones that have been screwed over the most by covid. However, they are still now adults, and that means participation in a social contract, so I don't really see why someone taking the appropriate action for breaking that social contract is wrong?

If someone is fly-tipping you call the council, if someone is mistreating their children you call social services, if someone is breaking the law you call the police, and the students in this case are (or appear to be) breaking the law. If they were breaking the law in a different way (e.g. drug dealing/rape) presumably you wouldn't make the same arguments about 'I don't agree with that law anyway' or 'people should mind their own business' or 'but they've had a horrible year,' 'they're broke,' etc.

There are laws I don't necessarily agree with but I accept that following them is a condition of living in this country, and the consequence for breaking them might be police action. Why should students be any different?

Also, YABU to class students as "broke" - I had more disposable income as a student that for the next ten years of working as a professional! Plus all the student discounts on pretty much anything I ever needed to buy....yes they have/will have a lot of debt but most of them will never actually need to pay it off, and that won't be affecting them at this point.

The problem is that young people are more likely not to get tested as their symptoms are minimal, so they will get on with their lives totally unaware they are infected. Myself and DH were tested positive for covid three weeks ago. Teen son had a headache and sore throat for one night. We took him for a test as he has asthma too. He was tested positive. Had we not had positive tests he wouldnt have gone for the test, as he probably wouldn’t have thought anything of it. It lasted just one night. He would have just gone about life as per rules of lockdown, but potentially passing it on during visits to places he was allowed to go to. I think a large percentage of young people have had it, but just don’t know theyve had it because they have very minimal symptoms. They should therefore be very careful and strictly abide by the rules.

@CrotchBurn

So would you be OK with a family member dying then because someone wanted a party?

@CakeRequired

50% of people agree with her. The intelligent half of society.

So your 'intelligent' side of society is fine with letting people die because they are old? OK then let's just be done with the rules, all go back to normal and just go with the idea of survival of the fittest. If you catch it, good luck to you, no ventilators or anything.

At no point have I said this.

Please don't put words in my mouth, it just makes you appear hysterical.

YABU and I say that as the parent of a current first year student. I’ve deleted all of my DS friends from social media. They are scattered across the UK now and the blatant disregard for restrictions and attempts to reduce infections is sickening. DS has had covid. He’s not some poor, poverty stricken child. They’ve had a shit time but it’s undeniable that students have played a significant part in the d of covid because they literally do not care about anyone else. Love DS but would have no sympathy if he was given a fine for attending a gathering. And I wouldn’t be paying it

'Complaining about grasses and the police?. Do you read a lot of Martina Cole'

Perhaps it's her next novel 'The covid SNITCH'.

your 'intelligent' side of society is fine with letting people die because they are old

Oh for goodness sake, where in the op does it say that

Thats why this sort of debate gets so polarising

My colleague told me a horrible example this week. Her friend who was 51, a wife and mother died suddenly. Someone went round to visit the family that day to offer support and the police were called out. The stasi would have thrived in today’s climate.

So would you be OK with a family member dying then because someone wanted a party? I think take it one further. Would you be ok with a family member losing their independence, being unable to do the things they previously could, being reliant on you and others to help them when previously they weren’t? In and out of hospital with breathing problems etc?

Because people are too far removed from the idea of dying because less people die than don’t.

But a lot more people are developing complications of COVID. Severe fatigue, breathlessness, inability to function normally.

Those are all the kinds of symptoms I had after the flu until I had my surgery. I barely left my house because I couldn’t even walk from my lounge to my kitchen without becoming breathless. I couldn’t bend down to pick things up out of the oven without becoming breathless and needing to sit down. I couldn’t walk upstairs without my heart rate going up to about 120 bpm .

If I’d thought that was how it would be forever I would have taken dying over that any day. Not that I’m saying I would have ended my life, I categorically wouldn’t have. But if I’d had to go back and make the choice, compared to the life I lived for the three years before my surgery (when I also almost died incidentally,) dying would have been minimal by comparison.

After all, I’d be dead. And yes, of course people would have been left behind. But those are the same people who have been there with me through every hospital admission, who have been with me and have been asked to leave the room while the crash teams were called, who have sat at the hospital while they took things hour by hour. I’m not sure that journey was easier for them somehow.

'50% of people agree with her. The intelligent half of society.'

More the Jezza Kyle half of society who use terms such as snitch and grass perhaps and use offensive analogies referring to genocide in an attempt to express their view.

Don't think the state will want to hand back all the freedoms they took away now that they know just how many people are happy to give up.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'50% of people agree with her. The intelligent half of society.'

More the Jezza Kyle half of society who use terms such as snitch and grass perhaps and use offensive analogies referring to genocide in an attempt to express their view.

So can you only be one or the other then what a ridiculous post

@Newuser991

Don't think the state will want to hand back all the freedoms they took away now that they know just how many people are happy to give up.

They are rattling on about "freedom passes" in the news now. 2 negative tests in a week and you'll be "allowed" to live a normal life. That's nice of them!

'My colleague told me a horrible example this week. Her friend who was 51, a wife and mother died suddenly. Someone went round to visit the family that day to offer support and the police were called out. The stasi would have thrived in today’s climate.'

That is weird. I'm really surprised the police even went.

Anyway, if you read the thread most have said it is the big loud parties they would have a problem with. I don't care if someone visits a bereaved family and I bet the police didn't either.

'Don't think the state will want to hand back all the freedoms they took away now that they know just how many people are happy to give up.'

Oh please you think it's a government plot to stop granny coming for Sunday lunch ever again, or worse to keep the hairdressers shut??

@Newuser991

Don't think the state will want to hand back all the freedoms they took away now that they know just how many people are happy to give up.

What freedoms do you think we've lost that the government won't want us to have back?

Anyway, if you read the thread most have said it is the big loud parties they would have a problem with. I don't care if someone visits a bereaved family and I bet the police didn't either.

Exactly. Common sense.

@TinySongstress

I wouldn't grass either but honestly, I am getting pretty pissed off with doing the right thing, wearing the mask, keeping my distance, not seeing friends and family, sanitising constantly (basically being considerate and responsible for mine and other people's health) and being seemingly surrounded by SO MANY selfish, inconsiderate, entitled wankers who think they're not part of the problem. That they're somehow exempt (apart from mask exempt wearers). This whole thing has really shone a spotlight on the staggering amount of the population who clearly don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. It's not even about them, it's about who they pass it on to. They don't care.

That said, no, I wouldn't report. More fool me, probably. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Same here and although wouldn't report (mainly because they might work out it was me!) my neighbours for flouting the rules every day and having people round drinking every weekend, it makes me SO. BLOODY. ANGRY. because I've done everything exactly right from Day 1 - still caught covid because DP is a key worker! - and yet so many other people are just doing whatever the hell they like, and sod the consequences.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Anyway, if you read the thread most have said it is the big loud parties they would have a problem with. I don't care if someone visits a bereaved family and I bet the police didn't either.

Exactly. Common sense.

I'd love a big party around here, the git in 138 would be going fucking mental. There are definitely a few around here would like to see that nosy bastard have a meltdown.

@Oeliil

Whilst I haven’t lived in Nazi Germany, I have lived under the many restrictions in the USSR (in a region with additional restrictions). I can understand why people are looking to history to try to explain their worries. It’s not about saying it’s the same situation, it’s a conversation about the gradual erosion of rights and the mistrust that is engineered between different factions in society. I can see why people want to talk about l, for the first time in their lives or knowledge, laws coming in which control their behaviour in the privacy of their own homes. If you’ve grown up in a country where ‘an Englishman’s home is his castle’ and you discover that it isn’t, it questions what you thought you knew.

This.

@AltJ

I agree OP.

Students party, it's normal! It's not like it's March 2020 and Covid is terrifying, it's over 6motnhs on, the death rate is less than 1% (and most of those people are over 70), everyone is sick of lockdown.

I didn't put words in your mouth, those are your words from your first post that has now been deleted. Forgetful are we? You say there that it's mostly over 70s that are dying, that makes it OK then? Students can keep partying as long as it's not you dying?

They are rattling on about "freedom passes" in the news now. 2 negative tests in a week and you'll be "allowed" to live a normal life. That's nice of them!

MN really should do something about these conspiracy trolls.