To want to escape the U.K

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I’ve become so disillusioned with his government, it’s corrupt and awful nasty politicians such as Priti Patel and cannot stomach to even see Boris Johnson on the television or the sound of his empty waffling forever gaslighting.

I’m seriously feeling depressed at what we have as a gov’t.

Wouldn’t it be lovely to have a sensible morally correct leadership of intelligent people you could actually trust to lead a nation.

Feeling really down about it.

These threads bring out a lot people who have a political axe to grind, rather than those with a rational, objective view. Same as the thread the other day where OP was pleased UK had lost its status as a told power and was ashamed of the country.

My brother is in New Zealand and seems pretty happy with the current government, which for him is highly unusual.

What depresses me a a lot currently is the staggeringly high levels of corruption that people just seem to shake off. I saw something the other day about Profumo, and felt almost nostalgic for the days when lying to Parliament was a resigning matter. We now have to work on the assumption that most of the cabinet are lying unless proved otherwise and people somehow manage to find that acceptable - how, FFS?

I am so ashamed of the way the country has gone, especially with Brexit, that when I am abroad on holiday I do my utmost to avoid being identified as British. No clothes with anything on that says 'British', if I go to a museum or attraction and need headphones/commentary I ask for French (can understand enough), and will avoid any 'English' bars.

Christ, what a load of miserablist self loathing bollocks, you should have posted that on CIF in the Guardian, I am sure you would have got a load of Pavlovian up ticks. Do you apologise when you get rumbled for being British? You sound utterly painful company. I love France, speak French, spend a lot of time in Provence where I lived and worked for several years. I have had numerous conversations about Brexit with locals, there is not much love for the EU in southern France as it is smack in the middle of Le Penn territory, 'they' understand and have some sympathy as to why the UK voted leave even if they don't agree with the manner in which it was executed. The attitudes
found in Paris are a long way off from the attitudes in rural France where there is still a strong sense of nationalism, a distrust of metropolitan politics and racist attitudes. Despite my accent I don't feel any sense of shame, I can have a conversation in a bar or cafe about the issues of the day without apologising or doffing my cap because I am reasonably mature adult.

@nosswith lol I’m sorry but you sounds ridiculous. And I am genuinely sorry because I hate to be rude about ppl via the internet etc but come on get a grip love.

Where would you go op?

The irony is that people complaining in this way tend to be left wing ‘progressives’ who most benefit from the country and those who get on with it quietly.

It’s everywhere. The grass is not greener anywhere,

Agree with this

😂😂😂 yeah go and try living somewhere else OP and report back. I hear Mars is pretty utopian.

Ahh, i love playing fantasy island. More so now. The UK has turned into a right shithole. I’m not worried about whether or not I agree with our politicians, but is it too much to ask that they are not fucking corrupt? That’s what stinks.

I am deeply ashamed of our current government, and of the way in which standards in public life have fallen under Boris Johnson's leadership. There has been a distinct deterioration and we should not shrug it off as if it doesn't matter. We don't know where it might end up.

Having lived in several other (amazing) countries, I don't think moving abroad is the answer. All countries have strengths and weaknesses in my opinion. I have not found utopia anywhere. I would rather stay here and campaign for things to get better.

They do need to get better though. It's very depressing to see how our leadership is currently operating. I would urge people to write to their MPs to voice their concerns. We all need to take some responsibility for what's happening, and not just stand by and let them get away with it.

Irrespective of politics, I repeat my challenge. Apply the same standards to our leaders as you would a partner.

By every standard used by posters in Relationships, we've had abusers running the country for years. But as long as their wear the "right" rosette it seems OK by some.

Would you rather live somewhere without a free vote. The electorate voted for the Tories whether you or I like it or not. Despite that, the UK is a beautiful place to live. We have freedoms and opportunities not experienced in much of the world.

We all have bad days, times are horrible everywhere at the moment. Ring an elderly neighbour or a relative living alone, check they are ok. Donate some food to the food bank. If we all did one nice extra thing today, tomorrow would feel significantly better.

The electorate voted for the Tories whether you or I like it or not.

From the point of view of the other 3 countries of the UK, it's only the population of England who vote in the conservatives. The rest of us don't.

It doesn't feel free or fair to us that we never get what our majority votes for.

It doesn't feel free or fair to us that we never get what our majority votes for

I sympathise, but Scotland at least had an independence referendum in the not very distant past, and voted to remain in the UK.

I think the biggest problem that we have at the moment is that there is has not been a credible opposition for a long time. The majority of people in the UK did not vote Tory at the last election, but we are stuck with a Tory government because there wasn't a single viable alternative that people could coalesce behind.

I can appreciate the freedom we have in this country and if we don’t like the government we can use our vote every few years to get them out.

But I think we are as free as we like to think we are. And things like the NHS aren’t as great as people like to think compared to other countries.

I would like to leave but more for the weather than any government we have or had.
I just can’t stand the pitch black darkness at 4.30pm and the cold and damp that being of a certain age and especially now since I haven’t been able to go and dry my bones out for a year means my arthritis is horrendous at the moment

I sympathise, but Scotland at least had an independence referendum in the not very distant past, and voted to remain in the UK.

Two things..

The thrust of the 'Better Together' campaign was that the Scots would lose their EU membership if they left the UK. That's what caused many to vote for the result we had. We like being in the EU. Did we get what we as a country, voted for two years later?

The second thing...Russian meddling. Just as in the brexit vote, there were dark forces and psychological weapons deployed just before the vote. It was never a representative vote. The next indyref will be as we're wise to the tactics now and we've had enough of the actions of the govt chosen by England.
www.cityam.com/report-to-show-russia-tried-to-interfere-in-scottish-and-brexit-referendums/

Boris Johnson and his merry band of intellectually sound cabinet members.

What never fails to amaze me in the UK, Australia, The USA is that amongst a collective population in the gazillions not one remotely sensible, credible, tolerant and reasonably intelligent individual exists in any of these countries.

Between Scotty From Marketing; Boris Johnson (who was only marginally more credible on NTNOCN) and that buffoon in the white house. I swear my very sweet, mostly dumb whippet could do a better job.

The thrust of the 'Better Together' campaign was that the Scots would lose their EU membership if they left the UK. That's what caused many to vote for the result we had. We like being in the EU. Did we get what we as a country, voted for two years later?

Yes, again, I sympathise. Wouldn't blame the Scottish people at all for wanting another referendum in light of Brexit. They were cheated.

Selfishly, I'd like Scotland to stay part of the UK, because without it, rUK will shift even further to the right, but ultimately, of course, that's up to the Scottish people.

I wouldn't go to Canada with their anti-women laws

I've lived and worked abroad. It's fucking hard. I imagine it's even harder with kids.
DH wants to move to Ireland (we all have Irish passports). I have reminded him that emigrating is expensive and stressful even before you get there. Going to Ireland is our "if it actually gets too dangerous to live here" plan. Otherwise, we sit it out.

I agree that this government is badly damaging society but am of the opinion that we can't fight fire with fire. Negativity will not extinguish the negative. It is up to all of us to do what we can to improve our society, with positive action.

Many of us feel helpless, that we can't make change on a national scale, (apart from sensible voting) but we can at least change and improve our local communities. We can donate to charities and food banks, we can provide services to others that help and lift, we can clean up areas, protect the vulnerable, support local business, protest, campaign, fight back against the negativity that these politicians want to divide us with. It is so much easier for them to act dishonestly when people are busy attacking each other. Divide and conquer.

Take back some power by looking for the good in society as well as being aware of the bad. Don't let the media throw you off balance to believe that everything is shit. It's really not. We are so much more powerful than they have led us to believe

I hear you OP. I'm so grateful to have been born in the UK. I never take for granted my right to vote and our democracy. I have older parents who would never move and children who are settled in school so leaving isn't an option and frankly not an option I want to take anyway. I know we have so much to be thankful for. However, that does not stop me being absolutely despairing of the current government. Cock up after cock up and no accountability. I remember a time when politicians stepped down when they did wrong. Now we are just gaslit with "it never happened". Covid was always going to be bad especially with the hub that is Heathrow, but goodness there is so much they could have done differently. I have serious worries about what we are walking into in January, but no doubt someone will be along to tell me to think positively ..well I'm pretty positive it's going to crap. I voted remain, I campaigned for the Lib Dems (vote LD/Labour) against the Tories and I do all I can to fight climate change. I hope that the results in the US will at least give us a chance to address the last issue and that we won't get no deal, but feel helpless in the face of FPTP against BJ and co.

jasjas1973
bojo didn't take Cv seriously did he, even now, judging by his recent isolation

How careless of Michel Barnier and Ursula von der Leyen then - at least two isolations each and Barnier tested positive earlier in the year.

Feel free to leave. I'm sick of the constant nitpicking. Does anything really change for the majority of people regardless of who is in charge?

As for accountability, it's called voting. Apparently quite a lot of people left Labour for the Tories which considering it's a total shit show according to some of you, says a hell of a lot about Labour.

@OhTinnitus I love your attitude (and I'm active in my community myself) but I can't help but think that those of us shoring up the food banks, the homeless and the desperate are just doing the government's job for them, making it easier to cut welfare benefits because it's 'a community issue'.

I'll continue doing it because I can't bear the thought if people going hungry or in need, but I'm aware that we're playing into the hands of those like Rees-Mogg who say that the use of food banks is 'uplifting'. Twat.