To want to escape the U.K

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I’ve become so disillusioned with his government, it’s corrupt and awful nasty politicians such as Priti Patel and cannot stomach to even see Boris Johnson on the television or the sound of his empty waffling forever gaslighting.

I’m seriously feeling depressed at what we have as a gov’t.

Wouldn’t it be lovely to have a sensible morally correct leadership of intelligent people you could actually trust to lead a nation.

Feeling really down about it.

If THERE was a way.

They feel they can't compete fairly, that they were better off financially speaking with their own currency. This a very popular opinion in Italy that gets almost no air time here in the UK.

Yes this is true. It's pretty shit for Italy. And they're totally stuck.

Politicians are rubbish everywhere.

@Andante57

Anyway, picking on an individual poster is against MN rules, you should report me if you think i am too anti brexit

Really jasjas? I remember a very unpleasant episode on the Brexit thread when mummy2017 (I think) was attacked in a very vicious way by a number of posters and I don’t think the thread was taken down.
The regulars on the Brexit threads know they will get support from each other however unreasonable their views - you must know that.

Yep agree thats why we have a report function and ultimately, MNs can bar posters and take down threads.

But it is leavers on this thread that time after time say "why wait? go now" in reply to any remainers concerns about the direction of the country.

Do you not also agree thats a:childish and b: quite a nasty response to people to whol the UK is their home?

@Friendsoftheearth the concerns your eu friends have appear to be with the eurozone and with Covid?

I do think the euro doesn't suit all countries and some, perhaps Italy, would be best of out of it.

Many in the UK wish to go back to yesteryear too.

Whilst agreeing that this government is appalling, I can't think of one that has ever been morally better, sensible or less corrupt.

And I've lived through every government since Harold Macmillan.

None of them have ever delivered on their promises. Politicians, eh? I can remember my DM being so excited when Tony Blair came to power. As an ex-teacher she resigned her membership of the Labour Party when his government brought in university fees. And the illegal war in Iraq?

I am no Tory voter - but to believe this lot are unique in being inadequate and bungling is to be wearing rose tinted spectacles.

There are few things outside of war that a govt can do that cannot be undone, so leaving the UK because of a dodgy government is a bit extreme.
So the only reason i would leave the UK is for better weather, quiet roads (i cycle a lot) unfortunately from 1/1/2021 i can't and i'm pissed off about that.

There are few things outside of war that a govt can do that cannot be undone, so leaving the UK because of a dodgy government is a bit extreme

Yes. Also who is to know what government may be elected in the country you move to. There are plenty of places which have a well supported far right and left.
Re leaving because of Brexit, the referendum was four and a half years ago so there has been plenty of time to think about it.

@thecatsatonthewall

There are few things outside of war that a govt can do that cannot be undone, so leaving the UK because of a dodgy government is a bit extreme. So the only reason i would leave the UK is for better weather, quiet roads (i cycle a lot) unfortunately from 1/1/2021 i can't and i'm pissed off about that.

So you have lost the automatic right to go somewhere else in the EU. That isn't the same as saying you can't go anywhere, and even under free movement there are individual rules about residence in various places.

It is still possible to move and work abroad, it is just much harder (e.g. no common pension system as before, need visa which you didn't need before). Same for EU citizens (like me) who wanted to move to the UK. It is still possible, just much harder.

So you have lost the automatic right to go somewhere else in the EU. That isn't the same as saying you can't go anywhere, and even under free movement there are individual rules about residence in various places

Whaaaaa? FOM allowed long stays without residency.
Now its far too expensive, the health insurance cost alone is huge plus min income.
Its only for the well off now.

For the average Brit, its 90 days in any 180 rolling day period, fine for hols not for longer stays.

i feel sorry for those with 2nd homes in the EU, they can't live there and selling is harder too, many are stuck.

need visa which you didn't need before)

Do you need a visa to visit the eu?

You might prefer Hong Kong, lovely, liberal place to live!

@Andante57

need visa which you didn't need before)

Do you need a visa to visit the eu?

For longer stays yes.

@thecatsatonthewall

So you have lost the automatic right to go somewhere else in the EU. That isn't the same as saying you can't go anywhere, and even under free movement there are individual rules about residence in various places

Whaaaaa? FOM allowed long stays without residency.
Now its far too expensive, the health insurance cost alone is huge plus min income.
Its only for the well off now.

For the average Brit, its 90 days in any 180 rolling day period, fine for hols not for longer stays.

i feel sorry for those with 2nd homes in the EU, they can't live there and selling is harder too, many are stuck.

But you were talking about "leaving" the UK - why wouldn't you seek residency if you found somewhere you prefered? It seems like more of a hypothetical loss than an actual one.

But you were talking about "leaving" the UK - why wouldn't you seek residency if you found somewhere you prefered?
It seems like more of a hypothetical loss than an actual one

You are overthinking this, i "leave" lots of things, doesn't mean i don't want to return!
For me, i had planned on leaving the UK for extended periods in the first instance but thanks for telling me what i wanted to do lol!

But residency or not, now healthcare costs are simply too high.

@thecatsatonthewall

But you were talking about "leaving" the UK - why wouldn't you seek residency if you found somewhere you prefered? It seems like more of a hypothetical loss than an actual one

You are overthinking this, i "leave" lots of things, doesn't mean i don't want to return!
For me, i had planned on leaving the UK for extended periods in the first instance but thanks for telling me what i wanted to do lol!

But residency or not, now healthcare costs are simply too high.

Sorry since the OP was on about clearing off somewhere else I assumed you were talking in similar terms - so you effectively used to travel to other EU countries for extended periods as a kind of respite from the UK then and now you can't. I see.

@Andante57

need visa which you didn't need before)

Do you need a visa to visit the eu?

From late 2022, you will also need to pay for an Etias visa, similar to an Esta needed to visit the USA.

Personally I’ve found it perfectly easy to avoid discussing Brexit when abroad. Just, ‘No B word, thank you, I’m sick to death of hearing it,’ worked fine in Amsterdam not too long ago.

You take our health insurance, so you don't need to pay for 'sky high' healthcare if you are ill. There are excellent policies available for long term residency. To be fair you would not want to end up in a state hospital in some parts of the EU anyway, you will need private health care in any case as some of the state hospitals are absolutely dire. I still have the scars to prove it!

If you said 'no B word' to me, I would assume you were on some kind of diet or had just been through a nasty divorce. Brexit would not spring to my mind at all five years after the referendum!!

Everywhere is the same unfortunately . People like to talk about New Zealand for example as a great place to live. It is if you are wealthy. NZ has terrible rates of domestic/ child abuse, environmental pollution and child poverty.