To want to escape the U.K

[Schummakker]

I’ve become so disillusioned with his government, it’s corrupt and awful nasty politicians such as Priti Patel and cannot stomach to even see Boris Johnson on the television or the sound of his empty waffling forever gaslighting.

I’m seriously feeling depressed at what we have as a gov’t.

Wouldn’t it be lovely to have a sensible morally correct leadership of intelligent people you could actually trust to lead a nation.

Feeling really down about it.

@Andante57

This is what makes Britain such a great place, world beating tolerance hmm

Jasjas you criticise other posters for intolerance but you’re intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you, especially on the Brexit threads.

...in reply too I think you should leave. And take all your like minded friends with you

Disagreement and argument is one thing but telling 48% (14m) of the voting electorate to leave the country is quite another.

Find it bizarre to see people complaining that the UK is not open enough RE: post Brexit immigration, while simultaneously complaining that the UK didn't totally lock it borders like New Zealand at the first sign of Covid.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

How did we go from the joy and pride of the Olympics in 2012 to this, just 8 years later??

Because the Tories had only been in power for 2 years then, and hadn’t managed to release the full shitshow at that point.

But hang on Boris was London mayor from 2008 and he and his team was heavily involved in Olympic planning. One of the very many Olympic highlights was his zip wire stunt, that gave everyone a laugh and added to gaiety of the festivities

@tttigress

Find it bizarre to see people complaining that the UK is not open enough RE: post Brexit immigration, while simultaneously complaining that the UK didn't totally lock it borders like New Zealand at the first sign of Covid.

True! One of the very many contradictions you see in all these types of arguments

I am 60 with no qualifications and if it hadn’t been for this pandemic I would be in the US now having started my new business there this year.

Okay I have no wish to pry any further....

I however know for certain that there any many well qualified individuals, many of them Brits, who, because they had no familial connections with the US have tried and failed to get working Visas into the States. Reason was the US had enough of their own nationals qualified in that particular line of work..

I'm glad it (almost) worked out for you but factually upping sticks and moving abroad for work is not something universally available...

We went to the US on an intracompany transfer visa - took months to sort and a lot of jumping through hoops but was the most straightforward way. And that was with us both being Masters degree qualified and DH being a specialist.

jasjas seems to be devoted to the brexit threads, constantly berating the UK and brexit. It is literally all she does, and has been on here for years. I try not to be suspicious of someone that absolutely no capacity whatsoever to see another point of view, and sits on the same threads for year after year.

Be careful what you wish for OP. I moved to another European country five years ago and I hate it. I would love to move back to the UK. The grass is not always greener.

No reflection on jasjas or anyone else in this thread as I have literally no idea and don’t know but as a more general point, I think there are a fair few “professional” posters on Mumsnet on all sorts of topics. Anyone remember “Claig”, relentless pro brexit and farage and then weirdly Jeremy Corbin too for a while , countless posts a day for months in the run up to brexit then literally disappeared overnight and I’ve never seen her since.

@DillonPanthersTexas

I am so ashamed of the way the country has gone, especially with Brexit, that when I am abroad on holiday I do my utmost to avoid being identified as British. No clothes with anything on that says 'British', if I go to a museum or attraction and need headphones/commentary I ask for French (can understand enough), and will avoid any 'English' bars.

Christ, what a load of miserablist self loathing bollocks, you should have posted that on CIF in the Guardian, I am sure you would have got a load of Pavlovian up ticks. Do you apologise when you get rumbled for being British? You sound utterly painful company. I love France, speak French, spend a lot of time in Provence where I lived and worked for several years. I have had numerous conversations about Brexit with locals, there is not much love for the EU in southern France as it is smack in the middle of Le Penn territory, 'they' understand and have some sympathy as to why the UK voted leave even if they don't agree with the manner in which it was executed. The attitudes
found in Paris are a long way off from the attitudes in rural France where there is still a strong sense of nationalism, a distrust of metropolitan politics and racist attitudes. Despite my accent I don't feel any sense of shame, I can have a conversation in a bar or cafe about the issues of the day without apologising or doffing my cap because I am reasonably mature adult.

This is my experience or rural France - and don't forget there are cultural differences too racism isn't so socially unacceptable in France (or plenty of other countries). I am not condoning it, but it is a very different country. I have been (hilariously) slagged for being English but then told I am not as bad as the Germans. Dutch or Parisians! It's a different slant on the world. There's no point me trying to hide being English as it's a fool's errand although I am often taken for an American (except in the USA) which depending on the place may be better or worse! I'm not ashamed to be British on the basis of the actions of a government I didn't vote for - any more than I expect Americans to be ashamed of Trump - that's just daft.

@Friendsoftheearth

jasjas seems to be devoted to the brexit threads, constantly berating the UK and brexit. It is literally all she does, and has been on here for years. I try not to be suspicious of someone that absolutely no capacity whatsoever to see another point of view, and sits on the same threads for year after year.

Presumably then you are also on these too but have name changed? or how would you know?

As for failing to see anyone elses POV, pot and kettle spring to mind......

I asked you to tell all on why you and your european friends think Brexit is a success story for the UK and you couldn't....... i'm quite happy to keep to the original OP and did so with that other professional poster Clavinova, you derailed that.

Anyway, picking on an individual poster is against MN rules, you should report me if you think i am too anti brexit.

Yes I forgot about 'Claig' now you mention it!! Oh what times they were back then when it was a war zone, it is practically zen now in comparison. I am not sure if Bellini is still around, but that was another one. What concerned me the most was remain's inability to even listen to the other point of view. The fixed dogmatic stance did nothing for their cause.

I remember listening and accept quite whole heartedly some of the remain points (and still do) but the determination not to accept any merit whatsoever in the upsides of leaving came across as terribly undesirable. We ultimately live in a democracy - everyone is entitled to their say, but the shutting down of whole swathes of public opinion was really scary.
I wonder how these people function in real life, do they shout at others at dinner parties or gatherings - not a problem now in covid times, but I always wondered if they were as unreasonable in RL as they are on here. The complete inability to see two sides was a very negative feature of the debate sasha

I am glad it is over, the deal looks like it is coming through, expect the collect whinge (BBC being centre stage for a public hissy fit) before we move on to the vaccine roll out in January. I am sure some will be amazed the world is still turning by the 2nd of Jan

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I asked you to tell all on why you and your european friends think Brexit is a success story for the UK and you couldn't

I didn't see that post, but very happy to answer.

It differs slightly dependent on the country. So my Dutch friends are envious, they are very anti EU and wished the UK had stayed, as now Rutte will be in a similar position to Cameron's old position - and we have seen this play out with the Covid 'rescue' fund. Many northern countries, including Holland are not keen on having to contribute so much, it has caused the most almighty row. You might say that the Dutch really 'get' brexit, and they hate the bureaucracy as much as we do. They are free thinkers, and they are noticeably uncomfortable with the expansion of the EU.

My Italian friends have different reasons, they blame the EU or should I say the Euro for the state of the country and the economy. They feel they can't compete fairly, that they were better off financially speaking with their own currency. This a very popular opinion in Italy that gets almost no air time here in the UK.

Some Italians are seething about the direction of the EU, Italy's lack of ability to control its own finances, and the latest anger is during the coronavirus outbreak there, Germany and France refused to help Italy. The reaction to this rejection and lack of solidarity was the final straw, certainly for our friends.
Many won't remember this because we had our own problems here with the peak of covid, but I doubt the Italians will ever forgive their friends in the EU for being letting down at their darkest moment, they had to rely on the help from China in the end.

We too have friends in Provence, and they can't stand the EU or Macron, and simply want to go back to the way things were. They prefer things how they used to be, they are concerned about the next election.

Ultimately you can go anywhere and hear all views, and I don't attach more importance to the views of my friends that those that champion the EU project.
I supported the EU at the beginning, and thought it was a wonderful thing to bring peace and stability to the continent. However it has drastically changed from where it started. It was supposed to be a trading group of like minded friendly countries, and it has grown into a huge political monstrosity now.

I am so glad we have left.

In the years to come it will become obvious why the referendum was so important, and the implications will become extremely obvious even to the most ardent remainer.

the implications will become extremely obvious even to the most ardent remainer

The implications are obvious already, and not in the way you’re implying. No amount of cheerleading from pop-up Leavers is going to change anyone’s mind.

sabrina I don't need or want to change your mind. Why would I? You are entitled to think whatever you want.

It is going to become much clearer in the next year why leaving is a very good thing for us as a country. I don't need to 'sell' it to you, lets just wait and see. I imagine if you are very fixed and entrenched in your view no amount of good news or benefits will change your point of view anyway. So it is pointless - we learnt that five years ago!!

Move overseas if you want to, or be positive but don't drag the country down with gloomy doom mongering - we have had enough of that to last a generation.

I’ll wait for Johnson and Co to deliver on their promises. I’m not holding my breath, with less than 40 days to go.

And yes we can move overseas, as we are still EU citizens.

Don't feel you have to wait on our account sabrina

@Schummakker

We have the possibility of Canada, Ireland and Switzerland at the moment.

Best decision we ever made. Clean, safe, amazing healthcare, 9% tax, cheap uni education, beautiful scenery. France, Germany, Austria and Italy can all be reached by car on the weekend. Brexshit made us leave the UK, will take a miracle to get us back there now.

Hi @Friendsoftheearth , still here, still sweary. I tried listening to and talking to Brexiteers in the Arms but they just rebuffed it with gobshitery.
Got my Irish passport now and citizenship for my dd so I'm much happier that the Brexiteers don't get to take my rights off me.
Enjoy 1 January 2021. Rest assured that people who voted Remain will be thinking of you.

Thanks for referring to me as "that" btw. Nice dehumanising touch.

Anyway, picking on an individual poster is against MN rules, you should report me if you think i am too anti brexit

Really jasjas? I remember a very unpleasant episode on the Brexit thread when mummy2017 (I think) was attacked in a very vicious way by a number of posters and I don’t think the thread was taken down.
The regulars on the Brexit threads know they will get support from each other however unreasonable their views - you must know that.

I was certainly attacked personally by a bunch of Arms-ers. That thread got pulled.

@Oliversmumsarmy I have dependents with disabilities. Believe me, if they're was a way, we'd be long gone. Alas, some of us can't escape this sinking ship. It is nice to hear how happy other people are when they make the move. I'll have to live vicariously!