AIBU to wonder when the riots begin?

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Much more spending announced on 'defence' than eco policies, children growing up in poverty, dodgy contracts awarded to buddies and today pay freezes for public sector workers and a proven bully being supported in her role. All this on top of one of the worst covid death rates in the world. How much longer do we sit by idly?

Peaceful riot

Sounds like something Jeremy Corbyn would come out with

Why have spent the last 70 years getting educated about fascism if the next time it's happening we stare at it's face and shrug.

And I'm not even talking about the govt, people have become fascist too, snitching on their neighbors, asking for more restrictions, blaming other people for a virus acting like a virus etc.

We don't need rioting to create change.

There are lots of things we could all be doing that do not involve causing harm or turning to violence.

@HumanFemale1

Why have spent the last 70 years getting educated about fascism if the next time it's happening we stare at it's face and shrug.

And I'm not even talking about the govt, people have become fascist too, snitching on their neighbors, asking for more restrictions, blaming other people for a virus acting like a virus etc.

The State is inherently fascist

Mostly it’s given license for people to post bonkers stuff on SM. (See pp on fascism).

And yes riots are violent by definition.

If you want to start a peaceful protest op go for it. Maybe tomorrow, dark now. Or join the many that have happened.

The State is inherently fascist

All of them? USSR? USA? China? Sweden? France? Ireland? etc etc etc

Don't be so bloody stupid.

Hayeah, what an incredibly snobby thing to say.

“Brexit is best for this country” vs “We are no longer under the protection of the EU so need to spend more on defence.”

Or instead of thinking about when people will join you in a riot, maybe channel that energy into doing something that will actually improve people's lives. Learn a new skill. Figure out how to get that next promotion so that you can become more influential. Plan to build sanitation systems in countries where women still have to defecate in fields. The opportunities are endless, even tiny contributions really matter. What good do you seriously think a riot would do? We vote in a democracy - why not join a political party, help shape policy?

Why would any sane rational person condone rioting? Rioting = vandalising property, attacking people in authority, fighting, looting. What would that achieve? Nothing ever changes on the back of riots. All well it does is damage the very people you’re trying to protect.

Better to vote really

BMW6, yes it is. Its only when you come into conflict with it that you will fully realise this.

Livelovebehappy why do you want to protect people in authority?

Mini what system would you prefer?

[quote duffeldaisy]@deydododatdodontdeydo
We're not actually a right-wing country, that's the really sad thing. Whenever researchers have asked people about policies without any parties attached, it's all the left-wing ones that are popular (eg. NHS, free education, maternity and paternity leave, decent wages, libraries, social services, access to public spaces, better public transport infrastructure, etc. All of them left wing policies).

It's because the media in this country are so dominated by very right-wing owners who have systematically ridiculed or rubbished ideas that in other countries in Europe are actually quite centre-left, and made people vote against their own best interests.[/quote]
I think it is more complicated than that. I lived in Canada for many years, which is generally a well functioning, tolerant and reasonably equal society. I have been struck by ideas that were mainstream there being labelled right wing and also the reverse. Ideas on social welfare there are balanced with ideas of social responsibility. Hence, as a new immigrant I was not able to claim any benefits for a 5 year period but had to be sponsored. Medical insurance is also necessary as a tourist and will be checked. There was uproar when similar was suggested here. Australia has similar and these are both societies that celebrate the contributions of immigrants.
The U K seems to have become dysfunctional in many ways. On the one hand we have a basically corrupt government handing contracts to their friends. On the other hand, despite Starmer’s best efforts, we have a party with a vocal minority of members who have ideas that are unpalatable to most of the population but who seem determined to continue dragging the party down as evidenced by this week’s news. People do support the aims you stated but they do not support the more extreme ideologies that were part of the deal that Corbyn offered.
I listened to Obama on Radio 4 this week and it was refreshing to listen to someone with real intellect and decency. It has been shockingly lacking in recent times. I don’t think there will be riots. As many have said, it’s too cold. Hopefully though there will be change as the current situation just feels awful. Everyone has someone to blame but in reality both parties have made a shocking mess of the last few years.

minitheminx because without the police, and law and order, rioting would be the least of our worries. So yes, I do think people there to protect us should be protected themselves.

British people love to moan but won't do anything about it. Too apathetic, tired, disillusioned.

@MiniTheMinx

BMW6, yes it is. Its only when you come into conflict with it that you will fully realise this.

So you must be advocating Stateless society - AKA Anarchy. Because without Governance (the State), that's what you would get!

Why would you advocate such a vacuum which would of course be filled by the most thuggish and violent, who can then do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want ?

I am dying to know the advantages of such.

@CalishataFolkart

“Brexit is best for this country” vs “We are no longer under the protection of the EU so need to spend more on defence.”

What "protection of the EU"

The only EU country with a decent defence force is the French, and ours is far larger. Hence our important role in NATO.

Why are we letting a bunch of bullies treat us like this?
Start by stating exactly who are the bullies and what they are doing, because I think a lot of people don't know what you are talking about. Be specific.

BMW6,

"Why would you advocate such a vacuum which would of course be filled by the most thuggish and violent, who can then do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want ?"

Bojo and pals don't need to act like thugs because they have paid thugs to act for them. They are usually referred to as the army and police. The state can and does, and historically has done what it wants to who it wants when it wants and how it wants.

I'm not an anarchist.

The defence budget has gone up because we have a lot of arms manufacturers, we have underspend on defence for aeons and its a good way to get the economy rolling. Plus pandemics often trigger wars.

Bojo and pals don't need to act like thugs because they have paid thugs to act for them. They are usually referred to as the army and police. The state can and does, and historically has done what it wants to who it wants when it wants and how it wants
Can you give some examples? I have lived my whole life without any altercation with the police or the army, as has every single other person I know, so it would help to know what you are talking about.

@MiniTheMinx

BMW6,

"Why would you advocate such a vacuum which would of course be filled by the most thuggish and violent, who can then do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want ?"

Bojo and pals don't need to act like thugs because they have paid thugs to act for them. They are usually referred to as the army and police. The state can and does, and historically has done what it wants to who it wants when it wants and how it wants.

I'm not an anarchist.

So you abhor the State (any State anywhere, because they are all Fascist according to you), and the Army (I presume you include the Navy and RAF) and Police are "paid thugs".

So you don't want any Governance (which is State), nor any defence or law upholders (nor Laws I assume as that must involve Governance).

Yet you claim not to be an Anarchist?!

I am at a loss then - what do you advocate? What society do you want?