Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Do Figure (Trump thread #114)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Enough already! Delusional, depraved, but DEFEATED. We may have to wait until Jan 20th but 45 will be GONE. McConnell is next...

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4076183-Donald-has-barricaded-himself-in-the-WH-and-we-have-Georgia-on-our-minds-Trump-thread-113

[OVienna]

Okay, I'm a bit dim, admittedly, but what I don't understand is what people think they can get him for. What's he actually going down for? I've always been very confused about this, what charges are supposedly waiting for him. I get his business likely has issues and they may call in the debt/he's not as rich as he appears. 100%. But what 'charges' exactly?

Personally - I think he's hanging on because he's a narcissistic twat and he CAN. He thinks he can fuck us all around, and every day that passes he's being shown he can.

[OVienna]

By all means - prepared to hear i'm wrong and there is a 'thing'. I just haven't been able to get to the bottom of it.

[DGRossetti]

@OVienna

Okay, I'm a bit dim, admittedly, but what I don't understand is what people think they can get him for. What's he actually going down for? I've always been very confused about this, what charges are supposedly waiting for him. I get his business likely has issues and they may call in the debt/he's not as rich as he appears. 100%. But what 'charges' exactly?

Personally - I think he's hanging on because he's a narcissistic twat and he CAN. He thinks he can fuck us all around, and every day that passes he's being shown he can.

edition.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/donald-trump-lawsuits/index.html

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Maybe Shirkey will tell Trump to stick it where the sun don’t shine. (We can but hope)

From Washington Post:
Michigan state Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey was surrounded by political activists at the Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport and had little to say Friday morning as he headed to Washington for a White House meeting with Trump.

Trump has summoned Shirkey and Michigan state House Speaker Lee Chatfield, both Republicans, as he seeks to find ways to reverse the election results in multiple battleground states where Biden leads. In Michigan, Biden is the projected winner and leads by about 157,000 votes.

Friday’s meeting is taking place ahead of next Monday’s state canvassing board meeting in Michigan to certify results. The president’s allies have said that if the board deadlocks, the legislature could choose to ignore Biden’s popular-vote win and seat Trump electors — an idea Shirkey has rejected in previous public statements.
According to local reports, Shirkey said Friday that he is “happy to meet with the president” but did not elaborate. Video of his arrival at the airport shows activists walking alongside him with signs reading “Uphold Democracy” and “Count Every Vote.”

[lionheart]

Tax and stuff.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/526826-new-york-expands-trump-tax-fraud-investigations-to-include-writeoffs

[OVienna]

Okay. Of those suits, I reckon it's only the first that could prove of any substance. The second reads more like a fishing exercise. I bet the others will get 'settled.'

There is nothing there so earth shattering it can explain his current behaviour.

He's more likely to risk a sedition charge at this rate.

[DGRossetti]

Maybe Shirkey will tell Trump to stick it where the sun don’t shine. (We can but hope)

I'd be upset if he did. It would completely and utterly destroy my cynical view of all politicians.

I'm much more hoping that he's going to see what he can squeeze out of the Trumpster, safe in the knowledge he has no intention of actually doing anything. I won't say grift the grifter, but it seems I just did.

A politician sniffing around seeing what personal gain they can make from any situation is much more likely.

[OVienna]

Or getting sued by the Biden Campaign/Biden personally for libel/slander, what have you. I did read something this morning about Biden not taking action 'at this time.' It would be awkward, to say the least, for him to pursue something and no way to start his term. But Trump has made serious allegations about Biden to the extent I am sure he'd have a case.

[DGRossetti]

@OVienna

Okay. Of those suits, I reckon it's only the first that could prove of any substance. The second reads more like a fishing exercise. I bet the others will get 'settled.'

There is nothing there so earth shattering it can explain his current behaviour.

He's more likely to risk a sedition charge at this rate.

It's an unravelling though, isn't it ? Once you start picking ...

Follow the money

as true now as it was then.

Who would have thought that a simple B&E misdemeanour would have bought down Nixon ? (Certainly not Nixon).

The shame is Nixon should have been on the hook as the traitor we now know he was. And that is a charge that could still attach itself to Trump.

[Jaichangecentfoisdenom]

There's a thread in trending now entitled: "(AIBU) To not engage with this complete idiot". I keep thinking it's about the media and Trump.

[DGRossetti]

@OVienna

Or getting sued by the Biden Campaign/Biden personally for libel/slander, what have you. I did read something this morning about Biden not taking action 'at this time.' It would be awkward, to say the least, for him to pursue something and no way to start his term. But Trump has made serious allegations about Biden to the extent I am sure he'd have a case.

Usually when it comes to slander/libel the bar for politicians is higher than for celebs. There's a certain element of "That's politics for you".

Also, politicians suing for libel can turn out very badly. Does anyone remember when £20K was "an Archer" ?

[lionheart]

news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/trump-gop-defy-precedent-with-lame-duck-judicial-confirmations

[Jaichangecentfoisdenom]

I hope Scott Dworkin is correct.

[lljkk]

what I don't understand is what people think they can get him for.

Also the baby trumps: Ivanka, Eric, Donny... their financial affairs are under scrutiny like never before. Kushner, too. Their financial affairs may be examined very closely for decades to come -- this might prevent them from getting into all sorts of schemes they otherwise could have enjoyed.

Did Mueller investigation have some sealed endictments that still aren't opened? Individual 1. Wink wink...

[AcrossthePond55]

OVienna

Cases involving tax fraud/evasion/fiddling the numbers often start small but end up big. And lying to financial institutions about assets in order to obtain loans can end up as federal mail fraud cases which can evolve into interstate commerce violations which in some cases end up as RICO crimes. We only know the very 'surface' of the cases, we don't really know all the facts. These cases are like a many-headed Hydra with new heads popping up all over the place. And often the conviction is for one of those 'heads' rather than the Hydra itself.

Capone was sentenced to 11 years in federal prison for tax evasion (not paying taxes on illegal income) and fined close to $5 mil (in 2018 dollars).

The former pastor of the church I attended as a child was sentenced to 24 months in federal prison for ONE count of 'mail fraud' for using an already mortgaged to the hilt property as collateral for a loan and saying it was free and clear. That case started as a 'simple' bank fraud against him as an individual and ended up a large federal case involving a chain of fraud, multiple people, and a 'charitable' organization they used as a front. The only reason he got 'only' 2 years is because he pled out and cooperated, if he hadn't he'd have likely gotten 10-20 years.

Is Scrotus scared? You bet your sweet bippy he is!

[Roussette]

So I suppose we just have to grit our teeth and wish for the 3rd week of January.
I have no doubt Biden will have a team doing everything in their power to just carry on despite the obstacles and pathetic attempts to derail from the orange buffoon.

Please let's not allow these threads to end if justice is served on the Trump family, it will make me very happy to comment on it understatement


His reputation worldwide will surely be in tatters in the future, or now actually

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

One of the lawsuits in the pile against (ex Pres) Trump. Defamation and denial of alleged rape.

Federal Judge Strikes DOJ from the Docket in E. Jean Carroll’s Case Against Donald Trump.
lawandcrime.com/awkward/federal-judge-strikes-doj-from-the-docket-in-e-jean-carrolls-case-against-donald-trump/

[AcrossthePond55]

Oh, I'm so glad they disallowed the DOJ getting involved in the Carroll lawsuit!

They wanted to change the defendant in the case from Scrotus to 'The United States of America' in order to be able to use the full might and resources of the DoJ against one woman. It was nothing but a bullying tactic. Despicable.

[DGRossetti]

[quote TheNorthWestPawsage]One of the lawsuits in the pile against (ex Pres) Trump. Defamation and denial of alleged rape.

Federal Judge Strikes DOJ from the Docket in E. Jean Carroll’s Case Against Donald Trump.
lawandcrime.com/awkward/federal-judge-strikes-doj-from-the-docket-in-e-jean-carrolls-case-against-donald-trump/[/quote]
The judge ordered on Friday that Trump’s prior private counsel in the state lawsuit represent the outgoing president in federal court

“Accordingly, by virtue of their appearance on behalf of Mr. Trump in the state court, Messrs. [Marc] Kasowitz and Burgo and Ms. Montenegro represent Mr. Trump in this removed action unless and until relieved by this Court,” the order said, referring to Trump campaign’s lawyer for the investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

As noted before, it can be very hard for lawyers to run away. I wonder if they will apply to withdraw ?

[DGRossetti]

@AcrossthePond55

Oh, I'm so glad they disallowed the DOJ getting involved in the Carroll lawsuit!

They wanted to change the defendant in the case from Scrotus to 'The United States of America' in order to be able to use the full might and resources of the DoJ against one woman. It was nothing but a bullying tactic. Despicable.

I bet there are envious eyes looking at a certain P. Patel of UK ....

[OVienna]

Georgia is certified!

[AcrossthePond55]

@DGRossetti

As noted before, it can be very hard for lawyers to run away. I wonder if they will apply to withdraw?

Good question! I was under the impression that they didn't necessarily want out at the time the 'change' was made, but rather were replaced by Barr and the DoJ purely because Scrotus wanted to intimidate Ms Carroll.

But I'd bet you a dollar to a donut that if they didn't want to withdraw before they do now! It will be interesting to see if the judge refuses to let them withdraw (should they so petition).

Of course, I suppose Scrotus could still fire them and replace them with, hmmm let me think.....Ah yes, that Clarence Darrow of recounts!......that Atticus Finch of election fraud!...........Ruuudeee GiuliAHHHni!!!!! (said in the voice of a carnival barker, cuz it's all a fucking circus!)

[DGRossetti]

But I'd bet you a dollar to a donut that if they didn't want to withdraw before they do now! It will be interesting to see if the judge refuses to let them withdraw (should they so petition). [] Of course, I suppose Scrotus could still fire them and replace them with, hmmm let me think.....Ah yes, that Clarence Darrow of recounts!......that Atticus Finch of election fraud!...........Ruuudeee GiuliAHHHni!!!!! (said in the voice of a carnival barker, cuz it's all a fucking circus!)

I was reading quite a bit about how it can be very hard for attorneys to withdraw if their client refuses to dismiss them. Going to a closed hearing before the judge where they need to say why. Which can be problematic for a client that wanted them to lie for them, or engage in a deliberate misleading of the court.

I suspect if they ask to withdraw, Trump will fire them to force them to keep confidence, which is far more powerful in the US than UK, from what I've read.

[DGRossetti]

Ah yes, that Clarence Darrow of recounts!

For some reason "Inherit the Wind" seems strangely appropriate right now ...

[AcrossthePond55]

@OVienna

Georgia is certified!

Hallelujah!

I see that the AJC has it (although the full article is paywalled for me) but I don't see anything on the CNN/MSNBC yet.