Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Do Figure (Trump thread #114)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Enough already! Delusional, depraved, but DEFEATED. We may have to wait until Jan 20th but 45 will be GONE. McConnell is next...

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4076183-Donald-has-barricaded-himself-in-the-WH-and-we-have-Georgia-on-our-minds-Trump-thread-113

[maggiethecat]

Since Arizona has certified its results what is the purpose of the state legislature and Drooliani holding a hearing on the election integrity? Are they trying to convince the state electors to vote against the certified result on 14/12?

[BruceAndNosh]

@maggiethecat yes, their plan both in Georgia and Pennsylvania is to get the Legislature in both states (which both have GOP Majorities in both Senate and Congress) to "take back" the authority to appoint electors away from the ?Governors who currently wield that power.
Ellis and Guiliani both insist this is well within the Constitution. Other legal experts disagree.
However I think the Legislatures would need to achieve a 2 thirds majority to do this which is obviously NOT going to happen as the GOP majority in both states is too slim to get number of votes.
So basically it's a big performance for Trump and his supporters and another attempt to damage the perceived legitimacy of Biden's win.

These "hearings" are also a platform to produce multiple affadvits proclaiming fraud which aren't getting anywhere in the formal courts. But in the friendly arena of a purely GOP audience, they will be unchallenged

[ListeningQuietly]

Just read a bit of the SCOTUS discussion on the census.
Kavanagh is a twerp
but Coney Barratt seems to realise what her job is ....
good

[yeOldeTrout]

I have no clue what rudyG thinks he's doing. He didn't used to be deranged. RG seems to have a lot of debts & Trump will stiff RG (on payment).

Trump seeks notoriety & money. He's the Pig.

Sidney Powell is an ideological extremist. Jenna Ellis: no clue. She used to slag Trump off. Many on Twitter have dismissed them all as "Grifters"

[maggiethecat]

BruceandNosh - ok, so a bit grandstanding and trying to present some basis for their allegations without anyone seriously questioning the evidence.

[BruceAndNosh]

Oh,and today is the last day of the 2019/2020 Legislative Session. It’s too late to legally call back legislature to do all this procedural gymnastics. And if they call the whole election invalid (including the Senate and house seats) , just WHO sits in the new session of legislature...?

[BruceAndNosh]

@maggiethecat You can says things in a hotel Ballroom that you can't get away with in a court of law...

[maggiethecat]

BruceandNosh - it would be funny if it weren’t so sad watching them try to dress this up with an air of seriousness and credibility.

[lionheart]

So the Trump pardon of Flynn is trying to include convictions yet to come.

[DuncinToffee]

@lionheart

So the Trump pardon of Flynn is trying to include convictions yet to come.

It seems that way

Copy of the documents in this tweet
twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1333540949037895681?s=21

Remarkably sweeping language for the pardon. It absolves Flynn of lying to the FBI and also:

"any and all possible offenses arising from the facts set forth ... or that might arise, or be charged, claimed or asserted" baed on the Mueller investigation or any grand juries.

[AcrossthePond55]

Remarkably sweeping language for the pardon. It absolves Flynn of lying to the FBI and also: "any and all possible offenses arising from the facts set forth ... or that might arise, or be charged, claimed or asserted" baed on the Mueller investigation or any grand juries.

Pretty much a carbon copy of the Nixon pardon; "for any and all crimes that may have been committed while he was President".


In other news, I see that crazy Dr Atlas (the radiologist) has resigned from 'Covid Team Trump'. He had a 130-day temp appointment and it was going to expire this week anyway. Well, thank God! He was the one who sold Scrotus on 'herd mentality' (Scrotus sic) as the 'national response'.


www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/politics/scott-atlas-resigns-trump-administration-coronavirus-task-force/index.html

[lionheart]

Thank you DuncinToffee.

edition.cnn.com/2020/11/30/politics/joe-biden-wisconsin-victory-finalized/index.html

[lionheart]

www.thedailybeast.com/hannity-says-trump-should-pardon-his-whole-family-and-himself?via=twitter_page

[BruceAndNosh]

Doesn't accepting a pardon mean you also accept that you were originally guilty of the relevant crimes?

[BruceAndNosh]

This is classic.
One of Sidney Powell's star affadvit claims shenanigans in Edison County, Michigan.

The is no Edison County in Michigan or anywhere else in US.

I suspect Elon Musk (one for the nerds there!)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

I somehow missed this. From The Tonight Show. (It's the only one we'll get)

[BruceAndNosh]

twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/1333535859153440769

Governor Ducey gets phone call from White House right in the middle of signing Certifaction papers.
And rejects the call

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

From Washington Post:
President Trump’s political operation has raised more than $150million since Election Day, using a blizzard of misleading appeals about the election to shatter fundraising records set during the campaign, according to people with knowledge of the contributions.


The influx of political donations is one reason Trump and some allies are inclined to continue a legal onslaught and public affairs blitz focused on baseless claims of election fraud, even as their attempts have repeatedly failed in court and as key states continue to certify wins for President-elect Joe Biden.


Much of the money raised since the election is likely to go into an account for the president to use on political activities after he leaves office, while some of the contributions will go toward what’s left of the legal fight.
.....
The donations are purportedly being solicited for the Official Election Defense Fund, which is blazed in all red across the Trump campaign’s website, with an ominous picture of the president outside the White House.


There is no such account, however. The fundraising requests are being made by the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, a joint fundraising committee that raises money for the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee. As of Nov. 18, that committee also shares its funds with Save America, a new leadership PAC that Trump set up in early November and which he can use to fund his post-presidency activities.
Continues

[lionheart]

That is sweet.


www.thedailybeast.com/we-wont-forget-and-we-wont-forgive-what-trumpists-did-to-america?source=twitter&via=desktop

[DGRossetti]

@BruceAndNosh

Doesn't accepting a pardon mean you also accept that you were originally guilty of the relevant crimes?

From some skim reading yes - and the Nixon pardon was never tested in court either.

I did catch a blog from a US lawyer somewhere noting that the power of pardon derived from the British Monarchs power of pardon. And that was always contingent upon admission of the crime.

There's a legal battle to be fought as to whether an overly vague pardon is valid in it's entirety, or just for specific crimes.

I wouldn't want to be the first person to fight that battle.

[lionheart]

Norman Ornstein
@NormOrnstein
·
25 Nov
'What we always have to keep in mind with these pardons: they strip away Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. Flynn either tells the truth, or gets prosecuted for perjury-- or held in criminal contempt for refusal to answer.'

[DGRossetti]

@lionheart

Norman Ornstein
*@NormOrnstein*
·
25 Nov
'What we always have to keep in mind with these pardons: they strip away Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. Flynn either tells the truth, or gets prosecuted for perjury-- or held in criminal contempt for refusal to answer.'

Now that has been tested in court. Many times.

The question is will Trumps pardon-in-advance also cover prosecution for it ?

Like I said, I wouldn't want to be first to try.

[BruceAndNosh]

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/01/trumps-legacy-is-the-plague-of-extreme-lies-truth-based-media-is-the-vaccine?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

[thesunwillout]

Will someone savvy start a new thread soon.
Fomo 😆

[BruceAndNosh]

Anyone want to lay bets when Jenna Ellis blocks me on twitter? I "may" have overstepped the mark