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To think Camilla should be queen?

392 replies

Brian9600 · 18/11/2020 17:47

Just interested in people's views. The whole Charles/Diana/Camilla thing was grim but it's also grim that she's the one treated as responsible rather than him. All water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.

(Obviously some people would get rid of the lot of them, and fair enough.)

Vote YANBU for Queen Camilla
Vote YABU for Never Queen Camilla

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lyralalala · 18/11/2020 19:28

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king. William will make an excellent modern monarch.

I don't think that will ever happen. He has waited his whole life to be King.

Smallsteps88 · 18/11/2020 19:28

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king.

How will he be able to do that?

womaninatightspot · 18/11/2020 19:30

I'd rather it skipped a generation this time round.

billy1966 · 18/11/2020 19:31

Could really care less but based on the fact this all happened 40 years ago, and I just sped watched a couple of episodes, Diana was but a child marrying a man she really didn't know.

I must admit to not knowing much about their lives and was living in Asia when I did see the interview.

I just can't get over how young she was marrying a man a good 10+ years older than her that she seems to have met only a few times.

Whatever she did or didn't do I have zero interest in.

I do however believe the RF were absolutely appalling and heartless to play with the life of a young girl the way they did.

She was nothing more than a useful pawn.

Prince Charles was also manipulated too perhaps, but Lord she was truly sacrificed.

Really rather glad she caused them so much stress.

They deserved no less.

Awful viewing.

Smallsteps88 · 18/11/2020 19:31

@womaninatightspot

I'd rather it skipped a generation this time round.
How can they skip a generation?
tilder · 18/11/2020 19:31

She should not be Queen because of the misogyny issues.

I don't really care for her or Charles, but that is besides the point.

However the Queens husband is a Prince (because king trumps queen) therefore kings spouse should be princess.

Unless they want to make things equal.

VinylDetective · 18/11/2020 19:31

@lyralalala

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king. William will make an excellent modern monarch.

I don't think that will ever happen. He has waited his whole life to be King.

This. He’s more likely to eat his own liver than abdicate.
Wearywithteens · 18/11/2020 19:32

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RustyBear · 18/11/2020 19:33

There's a theory that EVIII's abdication was favoured because Edward and Wallis were Nazi sympathisers. There are photos of them being very pally with Hitler and his cronies in the late 1930s

This might have been part of the problem for some people, but frankly half the Establishment in the 30's were Nazi sympathisers. There were concerns raised by certain Government officials regarding Wallis's possible relationship with von Ribbentrop, when he was the German Ambassador to London which resulted in an inconclusive investigation by MI5. However, the concerns at the time were not because he was a Nazi, but because he was Ambassador for Germany, a country whose expansionist policies, not their social or racial ones, were a possible threat.

GroundAlmonds · 18/11/2020 19:33

Credit to Diana for setting the path she dearly wished her sons to go down, they have achieved her greatest wishes as a mother, that they both found genuine love, and have proved themselves empathic (in as much as we can gauge from media reporting, as that’s all we have to judge with if we don’t know them personally).

Jeez. You cannot possibly tell what someone’s most personal feelings are by watching the telly and reading the tabloids.

WitchesSpelleas · 18/11/2020 19:33

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king. William will make an excellent modern monarch.

Charles can't just 'permit William to become king'. It would require an Act of Parliament to approve his abdication.

So many people say they want us to have a monarchy, but they don't want Charles to be king or Camilla to be queen - what people miss is that the monarchy is hereditary - the point is you get who is next, however useless or immoral you might think them.

If you want a monarchy but "don't want Charles to be king" the definition of what you actually want is a republic where you can choose your head of state (and in theory William could then stand for this role and be chosen by the public).

flaviaritt · 18/11/2020 19:35

If you want a monarchy but "don't want Charles to be king" the definition of what you actually want is a republic where you can choose your head of state (and in theory William could then stand for this role and be chosen by the public).

But who would we choose? Marcus Rashford would be my pick.

D4rwin · 18/11/2020 19:35

Ridiculous. What do they do? If they're supposed to be some sort of walking talking PR for the country I can't see the point in someone becoming a monarch past retirement age. Madness.

Whenwemeet · 18/11/2020 19:35

Some serious hypocrisy on this thread! If a woman posted here saying her DH had been in an emotional affair since they met, started a physical affair once married and throughout their whole marriage even when they had two young DS’s I don’t think posters would be saying the other woman who is getting involved knowingly with a married father has ‘admirable qualities’ and that they like her and think she’s great and it was great she showed such ‘dignity’ when people found out she was a dirty cheat.

GroundAlmonds · 18/11/2020 19:36

@womaninatightspot

I'd rather it skipped a generation this time round.
It’s not a game show. We don’t get a vote.
CorianderLord · 18/11/2020 19:36

@Pacif1cDogwood

Would she not only 'qualify' to be King Consort? Just how Prince Philip is not King?

#NotARoyalist #NotBritish

I don't really have strong feelings, either way, but did have to remind myself when watching The Crown that it was not a documentary! Grin

No, Phillip was not King because the role of King is higher than Queen. As he was not the monarch he could not have a title higher than the monarch.

Queen is below king so the spouse can be Queen.

Smallsteps88 · 18/11/2020 19:38

@WitchesSpelleas

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king. William will make an excellent modern monarch.

Charles can't just 'permit William to become king'. It would require an Act of Parliament to approve his abdication.

So many people say they want us to have a monarchy, but they don't want Charles to be king or Camilla to be queen - what people miss is that the monarchy is hereditary - the point is you get who is next, however useless or immoral you might think them.

If you want a monarchy but "don't want Charles to be king" the definition of what you actually want is a republic where you can choose your head of state (and in theory William could then stand for this role and be chosen by the public).

Exactly this! People keep saying Charles will hand it over to William, he can’t! (He won’t anyway even if he could)

Can someone clarify for me that if Charles were to abdicate, doesn’t that remove his line of succession? So William and George would be out of the running. It would have to go to one of his siblings? Andrew??? Shock Grin

Aragog · 18/11/2020 19:39

@Cabinfever10

When king Edward wanted to marry Wallace Simpson he had to abdicate as she was a divorcee the same rules should apply to Charles and Camelia. William will be a better king than Charles ever could
I think things may have moved on in society somewhat since those days, over 80 years ago Hmm
PrincessNutNut · 18/11/2020 19:39

@Whenwemeet

Some serious hypocrisy on this thread! If a woman posted here saying her DH had been in an emotional affair since they met, started a physical affair once married and throughout their whole marriage even when they had two young DS’s I don’t think posters would be saying the other woman who is getting involved knowingly with a married father has ‘admirable qualities’ and that they like her and think she’s great and it was great she showed such ‘dignity’ when people found out she was a dirty cheat.
Their affair was not honourable or right and Diana did not deserve to be treated as she did. That is all absolutely true.

But they are not one dimensional people who should be defined forever by this one thing, especially as it has since become as clear as day that Charles and Diana were never truly in love (though her innocence was exploited - that's awful) and he and Camilla have been in love for nearly 50 years.

It really isn't simplistic.

MrsToothyBitch · 18/11/2020 19:40

@lyralalala - it would be Queen Mother not King Mother because if a Queen Consort is mother to a King and is still alive when he ascends the throne, she becomes a QUEEN mother based on HER extant title, not the sex of her child.

If the son of a reigning queen becomes king, it means mummy dear has snuffed it.
If Philip outlives the Queen, he was never king so can't be a "king father" and has a title in his own right anyway- Duke of Ed.

IJumpedAboardAPirateShip · 18/11/2020 19:42

Can someone clarify for me that if Charles were to abdicate, doesn’t that remove his line of succession? So William and George would be out of the running. It would have to go to one of his siblings? Andrew???

Interesting point, I hasn’t considered that. I think it would just go to the next in line which would be William but maybe not in the case of abdication? Hell no to that though - I’d be ok with Anne being Queen, she’d probably happily do away with the monarchy altogether if she was!

Can a monarch effectively retire the whole insitution?

Mommabear20 · 18/11/2020 19:42

@Cabinfever10 it's true Elizabeth's uncle had to abdicate to marry Wallace, BUT camilla is not expected to produce an heir, Wallace would have been.

Oreservoir · 18/11/2020 19:43

Charles will be King, Camilla will be queen.
It’s an institution with set rules.
Also the royal family believe that they are chosen by God which is why the Queen won’t retire. She will be queen until she dies, Charles will be king until he dies.

Mommabear20 · 18/11/2020 19:44

@Pacif1cDogwood Mary 1st was catholic 🤔

Smallsteps88 · 18/11/2020 19:45

@Oreservoir

Charles will be King, Camilla will be queen. It’s an institution with set rules. Also the royal family believe that they are chosen by God which is why the Queen won’t retire. She will be queen until she dies, Charles will be king until he dies.
This is my understanding. They believe that they have no say and it isn’t up to them to decide whether they want the job or not- it’s god that chooses by birth and by death.