To think Camilla should be queen?

[Brian9600]

Just interested in people's views. The whole Charles/Diana/Camilla thing was grim but it's also grim that she's the one treated as responsible rather than him. All water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.

(Obviously some people would get rid of the lot of them, and fair enough.)

Vote YANBU for Queen Camilla
Vote YABU for Never Queen Camilla

So why isn't Princeton Phillip King Phillip?

@Leaannb Because the Consort is always a step down, title wise, from the reigning monarch. King is the highest rank of royal title, followed by Queen, then Prince. So if Philip was King he'd outrank the Queen.

That’s been explained numerous times on the thread already leaannb

Awww, the machine's busy at work tonight, isn't it, smoothing the path of succession?

They're all rampant, cheating Pizza Express loving wastes of money and if only Queen of Hearts was a hereditary title, Camilla would be quids in for that too.

😂

So why isn't Princeton Phillip King Phillip?

Because the whole business of titles is completely sexist and outdated.
Women are not important enough for their titles to confer a title on their spouse - the same goes for the wife of a knight being a 'Lady' but not vice-versa, and any other titles in the British peerage system.

@pickledplumjam Charles wasn't shagging around because he was shagging Camilla at every opportunity

Normal people don't behave longer that

Never

The abdication crisis was nothing to do with Wallis Simpson's religion - she didn't really seem to have one at all, and she certainly wasn't Catholic, which would be the only constitutional reason why Edward VIII wouldn't have been able to marry her.
In fact you could say Camilla is closer to Catholicism than Wallis, she married a Catholic and brought up her children as Catholics, though she herself has remained Anglican. However, it wouldn't matter, except to public opinion, if she did convert, as since 2015 the ban on anyone in line to the throne being married to a Catholic has been removed.

So if Philip was King he'd outrank the Queen.

The sexism is truly remarkable.
Such an anachronism.
But aaaaaw, look at the frocks and the hats and the horse drawn carriages.....
They are people like all other people with strengths and weaknesses but the privilege afforded to them, still, is just beyond my comprehension.

[quote LadyTiredWinterBottom2]@pickledplumjam Charles wasn't shagging around because he was shagging Camilla at every opportunity

Normal people don't behave longer that[/quote]
I think the point the poster was making was that he isn't a serial philanderer and tail chaser who can't keep it in his pants. He and Camilla have been in love for over 40 years and should have married each other from the start (I'm not sure why they didn't?). Doesn't mean their affair was "right" or that Diana deserved her suffering. It just means there's a bit of context and nuance to it. It doesn't make them irredeemable evil people.

To be fair, as older princesses can now inherit ahead of their younger brothers, we should probably do away with the prince consort business too.

Never.

Queen Camilla as the wife of King George VII (or King Charles III) is fine by me. Referring Camilla as the Duchess of Cornwall is out of consideration to the memory of Diana, Princess of Wales. There was not a Queen Consort called Diana.

It strikes me that every generation, the Royal family makes the same mistake. Edward, Princess Margaret and then Charles, kept from the person they actually wanted to marry, which only caused a nightmare for them later.

The couldn't stop Harry marrying in this day and age, but they clearly briefed the press against Meghan from early on and have now driven Harry away.

No no no !!!

@RustyBear

The abdication crisis was nothing to do with Wallis Simpson's religion - she didn't really seem to have one at all, and she certainly wasn't Catholic, which would be the only constitutional reason why Edward VIII wouldn't have been able to marry her. In fact you could say Camilla is closer to Catholicism than Wallis, she married a Catholic and brought up her children as Catholics, though she herself has remained Anglican. However, it wouldn't matter, except to public opinion, if she did convert, as since 2015 the ban on anyone in line to the throne being married to a Catholic has been removed.

There's a theory that EVIII's abdication was favoured because Edward and Wallis were Nazi sympathisers. There are photos of them being very pally with Hitler and his cronies in the late 1930s.

But Wallis's status as a divorcee was much more taboo then than it would be nowadays, simply because divorce was much rarer and more scandalous back then.

The couldn't stop Harry marrying in this day and age

Because he isn’t (realistically) in line to the throne. If it had been William wanting to marry Meghan it wouldn’t have happened and would have been nipped in the bud before the press even got wind of a relationship.

Charles should not be king ever he is a drain on money and a waste of space and his wife can do one too they ruined to many lives

Never

@ShirleyPhallus

The UK has a seriously odd problem with having fetishised Princess Diana’s death. It really is so odd how she’s talked about still now. Even strangers leaving flowers on the anniversary of her death now.

Camilla would be absolutely fine and has definitely gone up in the public’s estimation but still there are those who will punish her for not being Diana

Exactly!

She I did read she will be a King's consort I believe?
(Sounds like that will appease people too as not a Queen but still important. )

As for the husband of a Queen Regnant being King, it has been tried before.
Phillip of Spain married Mary I, and on her insistence became King.
It was not a success.

When William III was invited to come to England to sort out the mess James II was making of ruling and mounted a relatively peaceful invasion leading to what in practical terms was James' abdication, the actual heir was James' eldest daughter, Mary. William refused to become what he apparently termed 'his wife's gentleman usher' and William and Mary became joint sovereigns, with King William continuing to reign after Mary's death, even though Mary's sister Anne was technically the next heir.

The question of Anne's husband George, Prince of Denmark becoming King never seems to have arisen - he was a complete nonentity anyway.

Victoria seems to have made an attempt to get Albert made King, but was apparently advised that Parliament wouldn't stand for it, and they were the ones voting the money, so he, like Philip was Prince Consort.

Strictly speaking Camilla will be Queen Consort, but the title she is known by will be whatever the Sovereign says it is.

(I'm not sure why they didn't?)

One reason - despite her early love-affair with Charles when they were both single, Camilla was by all accounts very much in love with and had 'set her cap at' Andrew Parker-Bowles, whom she married long before Charles married Diana. Andrew P-B was an upper class sex-symbol - it's said Jilly Cooper's Rupert Campbell-Black was based on him!

Another reason - Camilla was known to have had previous boyfriends and at the time it wasn't the done thing for the wife of the heir to the throne to have a (publicised) sexual past.

Can’t honestly say either would bother me although given the institution it is I can see that giving her the title queen would be problematic. It’s not that she is a divorcee I think they would be able to get past that but the infidelity while the boys were young would be a real problem with most people. Of course Charles is responsible too but it would be harder to strip him of the title

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king. William will make an excellent modern monarch.

Credit to Diana for setting the path she dearly wished her sons to go down, they have achieved her greatest wishes as a mother, that they both found genuine love, and have proved themselves empathic (in as much as we can gauge from media reporting, as that’s all we have to judge with if we don’t know them personally).

Camilla is a dignified woman, she will likely only accept the consort title.

‘DIANA: I take them round homelessness projects, I‘ve taken William and Harry to people dying of Aids - albeit I told them it was cancer - I ve taken the children to all sorts of areas where I'm not sure anyone of that age in this family has been before. And they have a knowledge - they may never use it, but the seed is there, and I hope it will grow because knowledge is power.
I want them to have an understanding of people's emotions, people's insecurities, people's distress, and people's hopes and dreams’.

Whatever you think of Diana (and I am a fan), as mother, she achieved the best for her sons,
But the greater part of their development and interests was also down to their father’s mentorship I’m sure. Charles seems a reasonably intellectually minded man, but a small percentage of liability to my mind .

@the80sweregreat

She I did read she will be a King's consort I believe? (Sounds like that will appease people too as not a Queen but still important. )

The line was that she would be known as Princess Consort

She won't ever have King in her title as that's a male title. Even the King's mother is never known as King Mother, it's always Queen Mother