To think Camilla should be queen?

[Brian9600]

Just interested in people's views. The whole Charles/Diana/Camilla thing was grim but it's also grim that she's the one treated as responsible rather than him. All water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.

(Obviously some people would get rid of the lot of them, and fair enough.)

Vote YANBU for Queen Camilla
Vote YABU for Never Queen Camilla

Although the CofE position on divorce and remarriage has changed in recent years, so it won’t be the issue it would have been in the past.

I was talking about the legal impediment only.

I'm really not sure anyone should be starting a supposedly very demanding new career in their presumably their mid or even late 70s.

I'm no fan of Charles or William, they both seem spoilt and silly in their own ways.

But to the [very limited] extent that hereditary monarchy makes any sense in the modern world, I don't think that having been divorced 25 years ago should have any bearing at all on your place within it.

Of course she should be queen, she behaves impeccably.
Diana was downright nuts and all that Queen of hearts nonsense made me want to throw up.

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king.

He does not have the power to do this. It would need to be approved by Parliament.

Queen Elizabeth’s husband is Prince Phillip. Camilla doesn’t deserve the term Queen Consort. I want the next king to be Prince William, not Charles.

you don't get to pick and choose if you have a monarchy. They do it for you.

Her Maj won't abdicate because she firmly believes that she has a god-given-duty/right to be queen so that's it until she's singing with the choir invisible. Charles has the right/expectation for the same reason and i can't believe he'll abdicate in favour of his son.

I have long been of the belief that they should be abolished after Elizabeth 2 dies. But it doesn't look as though that's on the cards. Charles has said there will be a slimmed down monarchy and what I would like to see is all those members over 65 who currently get their money from the crown, to be retired with a pension and to disappear from public life.

Then I'd like all those not in direct line to the throne (everyone after the 3rd - so William's first 2 children and so on) to get "proper" jobs, not be styled HRH and not to receive public money.

And then i want William to do the decent thing and wind it all up.

If we assume the Queen will live as long as her mother we have around 8 years until Charles - and if we assume he lives that long, we'll have him for nearly 20 years. It would be great if a 60 year old William pushed off, the Lords became a 2nd elected chamber and the United Kingdom was dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century

@CounsellorTroi

I believe that Margaret could have married Peter Townsend but she chose not to because she didn’t want to give up her place in the line of succession, because he was divorced. That has been the law for Royals in the line of succession. The Queen’s hands were tied in reality.

@Mittens030869

Although the CofE position on divorce and remarriage has changed in recent years, so it won’t be the issue it would have been in the past.

I was talking about the legal impediment only.

There isn’t a legal impediment to her being Queen though. The second she married PC in an equal marriage she was going to be Queen when he was King.

The Queen was opposed to the marriage, I think, because she knows the public was opposed to it. They need the public onside to maintain their positions.

@CounsellorTroi

The Queen married for love but refused permission for her sister and her son to do so. I find that difficult to forgive.

The Queen didn’t refuse permission for Margaret to marry.

Margaret chose not to marry Peter Townsend because she didn’t want to give up her title or her civil list money to live in France or Belgium as Mrs Townsend.

The Queen was opposed to the marriage, I think, because she knows the public was opposed to it.

Was the public opposed to it? I seem to recall the papers were generally favourable and most people seemed fine with it.

Margaret chose not to marry Peter Townsend because she didn’t want to give up her title or her civil list money to live in France or Belgium as Mrs Townsend.

Smart woman.

@PrincessNutNut

The Queen was opposed to the marriage, I think, because she knows the public was opposed to it.

Was the public opposed to it? I seem to recall the papers were generally favourable and most people seemed fine with it.

The announcing that she would be Princess Consort and not Queen, which was drip fed out for a long time beforehand, went a very long way to smoothing the objections to it.

There was a lot of concern about public objections. And government objections. Though we’ll not know the full scale of the legal objections for many years as the papers are sealed.

@PrincessNutNut

Margaret chose not to marry Peter Townsend because she didn’t want to give up her title or her civil list money to live in France or Belgium as Mrs Townsend.

Smart woman.

I disagree.

She gave up the chance of true happiness out of a sense of duty.

She’d have had a good life, the Queen would never have seen her sister penniless (even Edward VIII got an annual allowance), and she’d have been able to live her life however she wanted.

I think QEQM and Queen Mary’s sense of duty drilled into her made that decision for her and she likely regretted it for a very long time after.

Newuser99
For those saying their behaviour was repulsive you do realise Diana had affairs with married men too?!

Yes...and there was a context to those too, namely her horribly unhappy marriage and the way she had been exploited. She wasn't an evil person for them either.

And what about the wives of these men? She was hardly being kind and compassionate to them when she was sleeping with their husband was she?

@CoronaIsWatching

No, no amount of re-branding will make her acceptable. I also feel the same about Charles. Educate yourself and watch The Crown.

Seriously? Do you know that The Crown is a TV drama and not a documentary?!?!

I like watching the Crown. However, I'm not sure The Crown should be held up as a historical accurate documentary of what happened within the Royal family.

Please say this post was a sarcastic one, or a joke post!

@Aragog

Newuser99 For those saying their behaviour was repulsive you do realise Diana had affairs with married men too?!

Yes...and there was a context to those too, namely her horribly unhappy marriage and the way she had been exploited. She wasn't an evil person for them either.

And what about the wives of these men? She was hardly being kind and compassionate to them when she was sleeping with their husband was she?

The men's marriages were their responsibilities. They were the ones breaking commitments to their wives.

It was dishonourable and not right, but there was a context and it didn't make Diana a completely one-dimensional, evil person either. More a hugely fragile and damaged one. At any rate, she's been dead for 23 years now so I'm not sure what there is to gain from raking this over. We aren't discussing anyone else's relationship or infidelity, we're discussing these ones.

Life is complex. People are complex. Good people do bad things, bad people do good things.

Camila Batmanghelidjh ?

@DynamoKev

Camila Batmanghelidjh ?

I guess she could use that title.

The fact that people even think there is a choice about Camilla being queen just shows the fundamental lack of understanding of how a royal regime works.

They're not like reality show contestants you vote for based on popularity. It is what it is.

Charles will be king and Camilla will therefore be queen.

Charles will be king and Camilla will therefore be queen.

I don't think it's a fait accompli. I imagine the republican pot will be stirred after the Queen dies. Ultimately, a monarch serves at the behest of its people.

This is hard for me as a committed republican. I'm torn between wanting Queeny Camilla because I do think the horror of it would finish this sorry shit show off a little sooner.... And then there is the part that can't get over the horror of the entire thing. I do know I'd rather have my legs broken than curtsey to that.

Educate yourself and watch The Crown

I think Camilla should be Queen. I don't agree with the behaviour of her or Charles, but they are married, and that is the title of the wife of the king.

I'm astonished people think that Charles will step to the side and let William be king. Charles has waited his whole life for this. There is no way he will not be king.

Camilla and Charles should not even be allowed near the throne their both foul for what they did to Diana and shouldn’t ever be forgiven for it! This is from someone who doesn’t even agree with the concept of royalty it’s outdated and frankly the whole cast and ranking system in society is disgusting no man is better than the other especially someone that relies on the hard working public’s Tax’s to live a life of luxury while contributing 0 to society we are not living in the 1700’s.

@Bibidy

The fact that people even think there is a choice about Camilla being queen just shows the fundamental lack of understanding of how a royal regime works.

They're not like reality show contestants you vote for based on popularity. It is what it is.

Charles will be king and Camilla will therefore be queen.

The question isn't really "will Camilla be Queen", that is without a doubt if Charles becomes King, but really it's "will she be known as Queen Camilla".

If it was as simple as "it is what it is" she would be known as HRH The Princess of Wales atm. The fact that she's HRH The Duchess of Cornwall shows that there can be shades of grey when it comes to how she'll be titled.

Educate yourself and watch the Crown

You have got to be fucking kidding me?!?!