To think Camilla should be queen?

[Brian9600]

Just interested in people's views. The whole Charles/Diana/Camilla thing was grim but it's also grim that she's the one treated as responsible rather than him. All water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.

(Obviously some people would get rid of the lot of them, and fair enough.)

Vote YANBU for Queen Camilla
Vote YABU for Never Queen Camilla

I personally think Camilla will be Queen, as those are the rules ...

But watching the Crown and this thread got me thinking.

When these questions come up for the Monarchy, in whose interest do you think they act? For the good of the country, or for the good of the Monarchy / House of Windsor?

House of Self Serving Id say 🌺

I think Diana was keen to marry Charles so she could gain her father's approval- she was the very much unwanted 3rd daughter of a shitty man desperate for a male heir.

She grew up invisible and unremarkable (as far as she knew)- the attentions of Charles and the idea of becoming a Princess must have been irresistible.

The whole thing was a tragic debacle.

she will be Queen by virtue of being married to the king

errm, Prince Phillip?
They recently changed the rules so that the eldest child is in line for the throne, rather than the eldest son - fair enough (if you agree with having a royal family in the first place).
so given that change, it seems more equitable for the spouse of the monarch, regardless of gender, to be a prince/princess.
(well Prince/Princess is gendered, obvs, but not queen).

errm, Prince Phillip?

It's been explained several times that he couldn't be crowned King because then he'd outrank the born monarch. Camilla, as Queen, wouldn't do that. Sexist and outdated, yes, factually incorrect, no.

I'm not particularly attached to the concept of the monarchy after Queen Elizabeth passes away - I have a huge amount of respect for the Queen as a person, rather than her title.

As for Camilla - no strong feelings, but by heck, that woman has done her time. A lot of the public have been very cruel towards her because of Diana (as the OP says, it's a bit grim how people directed their anger at her rather than her and Prince Charles - why is it always the woman who's to blame?) and yet she's carried on, shrugged off all the hate, and done a lot of royal duties.

If you ever did dislike her, and I'm not even sure that's fair, given no one ever really knows what goes on in someone else's marriage, we are a country with a justice system built on rehabilitation. She's given back. She's earned some respect, surely.

I think Harry and Megan flouncing off has actually made me appreciate Camilla's contribution more. She's just got on with it.

@PrincessNutNut

errm, Prince Phillip?

It's been explained several times that he couldn't be crowned King because then he'd outrank the born monarch. Camilla, as Queen, wouldn't do that. Sexist and outdated, yes, factually incorrect, no.

I think it's a rule they should have looked at a while ago.

I think people would have accepted the rule changing to make Phillip king, but now that he's retired from royal duties, it feels a bit pointless upgrading him from a prince to a king (but still ranked beneath his wife).

I agree with those PPs who say it’s time to stop harping on about the past. Princess Diana died many years ago. If William and Harry were able to move on and accept her presence in their lives (she was their mother after all!), who are we to say that we can’t?

Ironically, the actual impediment to Camilla becoming Queen was never actually Diana, who was dead (in tragic accident obviously), but Andrew Parker Bowls.

I was a young child during the Charles/Diana/Camilla stuff. I remember learning the word "frump" from it, because that was how everyone was always describing Camilla.

I think the pair of them are a bloody disgrace (Charles & Camilla).

For Camilla being 'friends' with Diana before the marriage - cold and calculating in my opinion
Meeting in a railway siding the night before he married Diana - for a last quickie?

For Diana, having to have a third person in her marriage - enough to send any woman crazy. You only have to read posts on Mumsnet to appreciate the anguish women go through when their husbands/partners are gaslighting them on their suspicions about the OW.

And then to have it played out in the media, shocking.

Hopefully they’ll all fall into a hole, never to seen or heard from again.

Never King Charles to be honest, nevermind Queen Camilla.

Just give it straight to William and Kate.

Even better, scrap the Monarchy altogether!

Perhaps we should clarify something I don't believe anyone on here is saying that if you personally have had a devastating experience with infidelity, you must be "over it" and ready to let it go. That's your personal situation and it's entirely separate to the issue of Charles and Camilla. We're talking here about someone else's situation, in which the marriage was doomed and unhappy, both parties were unfaithful, it was decades ago and all living relatives, including the now adult children who are married with kids of their own, seem to have made peace with it. I really see no benefit in lifelong national punishment now. But that doesn't mean I think other people can't respond however they like to their own personal situations that aren't this one.

YABU.

I'm interested in those saying that Camilla has behaved with great dignity.

She may not have spoken out in public but but her actual behaviour and that of Charles was deceitful and cruel and far from dignified in reality. Remember Camilla has also benefited from a very expensive PR exercise courtesy of Mark Bolland and team, paid for by Charles. An expensive cosmetic makeover has helped too. People are so easily duped.

@Mittens030869

I agree with those PPs who say it’s time to stop harping on about the past. Princess Diana died many years ago. If William and Harry were able to move on and accept her presence in their lives (she was their mother after all!), who are we to say that we can’t?

Ironically, the actual impediment to Camilla becoming Queen was never actually Diana, who was dead (in tragic accident obviously), but Andrew Parker Bowls.

The only impediment to Camilla being known as Queen Camilla (because she will be Queen just as she is Princess of Wales) is, and always has been, the opinion of the public.

Nothing to do with her being divorced from APB at all. Public opinion at the time will decide if she’s known as Queen or Princess Consort.

i think she won't want to be "queen"
the idea of bypassing PC and going to PW is horrid. PC has been waiting to be king all his life. passing him by to give it to work shy PC would be a disaster.

I don't care as I don't respect people as being 'royal' anyway.

YABU because the monarchy is and outdated, backwards and frankly embarrassing institution which ought to have no place in a modern country.

I'd let the current queen continue until the end then just wind the whole nonsense uk, let the remaining families live normal lives abd assimilate into the general population.

I've love Camilla's speech on Christmas Day. Pissed as a fart and smoking a fag. Might be worth tuning in for once, can't bear the current incumbent - humourless and cold, like a fish.

I'd*

My point about sticking to prince/princess was it's been fine for the last 68 years - if we have to have a monarchy, I'm pleased there's no longer a law that supports male primogeniture and would prefer that to be the same with using the title prince/princess consort for the monarch's spouse, and king/queen for the monarch alone.
To imply that King outranks Queen, therefore one has to use Prince for a Queens spouse, but not do likewise for the spouse of a king, is sexist.

its bonkers we have a monarchy at all in the 21st century

I dont think Camilla will use the title Queen but if she does Im not fussed because see above

@lyralalala

I was referring to the constitutional position, not the public. It was the reason why Edward VIII had to abdicate. The Monarch is supposed to be Supreme Governor of the CofE and Defender of the Faith. That’s why marrying a divorcee wasn’t allowed originally (think of Henry VIII). That’s the reason why the Queen opposed the marriage for a long time, she takes those roles very seriously.

IMO, as Charles doesn’t claim to be a Christian anyway and wanted to be ‘Defender of Faith’ rather than ‘the Faith’, he shouldn’t have those titles anyway.

The Queen married for love but refused permission for her sister and her son to do so. I find that difficult to forgive.