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AIBU to have concerns about my husband's attitude to our children's safety?

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Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 11:27

Please can I ask whether you think I am being unreasonable to be worried about my husband’s stance/behaviour on these kid’s safety issues? When I’ve tried to raise these things with him I usually get told I’m being over-sensitive and very little, if anything, changes. Here goes:

  • Leaves dangerous things lying around – for example, antifreeze in a bottle without a lid on the other day (in a VIMTO bottle nonetheless, so very appealing to the kids). Other times – bottles of superglue, random car and or chemical stuff etc. When my eldest was a baby I asked him not to put a device with a button battery within reach in her room. He argued, put it out of reach and then moved it down a few days later without my knowledge. I then found her in said room with said item, with the button battery missing which resulted in an incredibly stressful 45 minutes on the phone to 111 and searching for the battery, worried that her insides could be being burnt by it, as per the BBC info-campaign I’d seen. I found the battery, but that wasn’t really the point.
  • Refuses to move his toiletries bag from within reach of the children – these contain his medication and scissors. On another occasion, our 20-month-old accessed his medication from his toiletries bag, after he pooh-pahed my concern about this. He then told me I was being paranoid about her holding his pills as she couldn’t get them out. I decided to let it run while watching her the whole time, to prove the risk to him – within minutes she had the pills out of their packaging and in her hand. He then had to come running through to get them away from her, as I was breastfeeding my youngest. Despite this incident, he still leaves his toiletries and medication in the same place, despite me clearing space for these items in an alternative place in the bathroom.
  • Leaves the children in the car alone – its hard to tell how long this is for and at what distance. I know he left both kids in the car when he was at a workshop recently. He told me he got my eldest out when she set the alarm off, and left the younger one sleeping. I think the car was in sight of the workshop. When they went of running errands recently my eldest also told me ‘Daddy left us in the car watching Peppa Pig’. I don’t know were they were or how long this was for but if it was for 2 minutes to pay for petrol while watching the car, I can’t see he’d have set Peppa Pig up.
  • Leaves fire starting materials in reach of the children – matches, firelighters, fire starting fluids (albeit with child proof tops), insecticide spray and poop-pahing me when I have said I want to move these out of reach.
  • Refused to get a fireguard when the kids were younger (and wont now, although there are older and more aware of fire safety).
  • Takes the kids to the park and leaves them in the enclosed area while he drives his monster truck adjacent to the park. The kids are 3 and 4 so I often end up ‘spotting’ or assisting them on equipment when I take them to the park. Him not being very nearby, to dive in if required, bothers me.
  • Installing locks on the children’s doors and locking them into their room to play, while he works in another room (‘supervising’ them on their babycam). I don’t like the ‘distance supervising’ or the psychological impact of them feeling ‘locked in’. They have told me they don’t like it.
  • Inadequate supervision when out – on several occasions my eldest has told me they got ‘lost’ or couldn’t find Daddy, when they were out. In the summer he had them all day at a public event and my eldest told me there were approached by a lady asking where their Mummy was. I feel they must have been out of his sight for a while on this occasion (he admitted to me they had ‘gone round the back of the tent’ at one point) as, as an adult, I tend to observe potentially lost children for a little while before approaching them , looking round for a parent who may be watching from a distance or frantically looking for them.

What do you think of these behaviours? AIBU to be really worried?

OP posts:
CatteStreet · 18/11/2020 13:47

This is extreme enough and consistent enough to sound deliberate. I think the PP who said he always has to be right may be on to something. There's a (usually male) tendency to pooh-pooh/consider oneself above risk and caution which I've been noticing a lot in mask-refusers lately - this sounds like a really, really extreme manifestation of it. He should be made to binge-watch all those really dreadful public information films from the 70s and 80s, on repeat.

I'm sorry, OP - I don't think he's a safe person to be in charge of your children, and I would be asking him to leave.

FeedMeSantiago · 18/11/2020 13:47

Call Women's Aid and make a plan to leave, even if to a refuge initially. This man is abusive to both you and your children.

You can do this OP.

AlternativePerspective · 18/11/2020 13:50

Have only read the OP so far, but,

As well as being unreasonable for all the safety related things, I would have thought that installing locks on children’s doors and locking them in their rooms is seriously abusive behaviour.

For that reason alone I would leave him, and I would make notes of all the above examples to ensure that he had supervised access only.

You really can’t leave this man alone with the kids OP. Not ever.

Iwantacookie · 18/11/2020 13:52

Sorry op ide leave him if you stay one of your dc could be seriously injured.
Just pointing out I have locks on my bedroom door to keep the cats out not keep the dc in!

FilledSoda · 18/11/2020 13:52

I think he's a psycho , he enjoys risking his children's lives and he enjoys frightening you .
To echo other pp , to need to run !
A toy truck ?
Ffs

PicsInRed · 18/11/2020 13:54

How old is the youngest? I would leave but wait until the youngest is more safety aware i.e. 6-8 years old. Even better if you can wait until CAFCASS and the court will lend weight to their opinions.

It's not right, but he would likely have considerable unsupervised overnight contact even despite those incidents you've listed - which I agree are absoutely horrifying. The courts are VERY keen on paternal contact at all costs.

sausagerole · 18/11/2020 13:55

It's feasible that some people don't see risk where others do, but like PP I think your DH's response to you pointing out the dangers is totally ludicrous.
It's one thing to not think through the dangers of leaving scissors or antifreeze around, and its another thing entirely to deliberately leave it out by choice knowing the dangers.
How do you think he'd respond if something happened to one of them, OP? I genuinely can't see how a Dad who cares about his kids could behave this way.

Oalsain · 18/11/2020 13:55

He sounds incredibly abusive and controlling you NEED to divorce him.
Your children are not safe living with him.

AcrossthePond55 · 18/11/2020 13:59

I have a friend who WAS dating a retired policeman. So much of his behaviour was about exerting his 'authority' over the relationship. That it would move at HIS pace, that she would conform to HIS idea of what a relationship was. There wasn't a lot of overtly abusive behaviour so it took her awhile to figure out what was going on. But it was similar to your DH, although your DH's behaviour is far more harmful. My friend's ex's behavior was more doing things that were 'off' or things she didn't care for just to steer her in a particular direction. His direction.

Your DH is doing what he's doing on purpose, to prove to you that 'he's the boss'. The fact that it may harm or kill one of his children doesn't matter. It's more important that you 'learn your place'.

You need to leave or kick him out before something really terrible happens.

endofthelinefinally · 18/11/2020 14:00

God, I couldn't read your entire post because it was making me feel ill.
This man is evil and the behaviour very sinister.
You need advice, you need evidence, proof of his total disregard for your DC's safety.

LimpidPools · 18/11/2020 14:02

It sounds like he's trying to prove something. About himself, about you, about the kids. I think it probably has something to do with who he imagines they are and how they should behave. And it's all tied in to the wider pattern of control and abuse.

You are in a pickle OP. Of course you have to leave, but it's hard to know how to protect your children. As previous posters have said, I think you need to collect evidence of abuse and negligent parenting. Get the relevant authorities aware. And then disappear.

Lima1 · 18/11/2020 14:05

OP my MIL and FIL used to mind our children overnight a couple of times a year. When the children were aged 8,6 and 5 I found out that they were locking them in their bedroom overnight. The children told me they couldn't get out of the room.
I raised this with PIL and said I was concerned about the safety of it (if fire started, child sick and couldn't raise the alarm) plus the mental health impact of knowing you were locked in a room all night.
MIL is control freak and refused to stop doing it or acknowledge it was an issue. We went NC after that.

I think its a terrible thing to do.
Your DH is setting the scene for a very dangerous accident that you will regret for the rest of your life if you dont take action now.

Notspecialflake · 18/11/2020 14:05

He is a complete idiot - and that is putting it nicely. Years ago a neighbour (an adult) died a horrible death after drinking something like anti-freeze by accident as it was in a soft drink bottle and he picked up the wrong thing. He died in agony and a prolonged death that doctors could do nothing about. I'm writing this to prove how horribly dangerous he is to your kids.

napody · 18/11/2020 14:08

@borageforager

Good grief. I opened your thread thinking that I would disagree with you, because I am quite risk averse, but anti freeze in a vimto bottle in their reach!
Same. The button batteries are a big worry of mine- I don't have many but a child being burnt from the inside out..... What a total fucking idiot. Sorry.
PrincessBuggerPants · 18/11/2020 14:09

Jesus Christ. The man sounds like a 90s version of Casualty.

3rdNamechange · 18/11/2020 14:09

Outrageous. Get him or yourself and them away. It seems extreme but , locking them in their room ??
Leaving them in the park ??

Also if you do leave ,tell him to go to court for access and tell SS what you've written here.

Notspecialflake · 18/11/2020 14:09

One other thing - a 2 year old died from ingesting a toilet duck product recently. Google it. These things are just a moment away from happening in your house.so sorry for you OP but he is awful.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 18/11/2020 14:11

You say you haven't left because you don't want the DCs left alone with him. Go re-read your OP. It is happening now! I know it's not easy to see clearly when you're in the situation, so I'll tell you: you are not protecting your DCs. All these things are accidents waiting to happen and your presence has not stopped them. Whereas if you lived separately, you could finally give them a safe home they felt comfortable in. What a wonderful gift to those poor kids!

Speak to a solicitor asap. List these concerns and ask about how to ensure all contact between him and them is supervised. Some PPs mentioned evidence. Ask about that too - what do you need?

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 18/11/2020 14:11

This is mad. Seeing his children do something dangerous and then taking no action to prevent it happening again is just madness.
I hope you are recording everything.
Would he actually want care of the children if you were to split? It sounds like he tries to get out of spending time with them?

napody · 18/11/2020 14:14

Just read the bit about extreme sports and him being a bit of an adrenaline junkie.

Theres a brilliant film called 'The Land' about a risky playground for kids which is really beneficial. It explains the difference between 'risks' and 'hazards'. Risks are what your husband takes on during extreme sports....he can anticipate, understand and choose to engage with them. Hazards are what he is putting in the path of his children. They are being put in harm's way without understanding the dangers. Totally different thing but in his daft 'macho' sounding attitude he is conflating them.

midsomermurderess · 18/11/2020 14:14

How do you need to ask? The only question here is, what are you saying to him, how are you engaging with him to be more sensible?

whatwouldyoudo85 · 18/11/2020 14:18

I didn't get past the first few examples, you are so clearly not being unreasonable. His behaviour is shocking. The button battery one sent shivers down my spine, you must have been absolutely terrified.

Nanny0gg · 18/11/2020 14:20

@user15368536798589

It was upsetting reading how deeply abusive he is to you on your other threads. To now read details of the abuse he is inflicting on your children... horrific.

When are you leaving? Your children deserve to be protected.

But what if he gets access?

Rock and a hard place.

mummyoneboy19 · 18/11/2020 14:27

I’ve read your previous threads as well as most of this one... why are you still making threads asking if he’s unreasonable? You think he is, you’ve got lots of people agreeing with you... what more do you want before you’ll leave?

I understand this is a big decision for you... but in all honesty something major is going to happen to your children before you’ve stopped dithering and getting reassurance from the internet.

ChickensMightFly · 18/11/2020 14:29

Haven't rtft but the phrase 'accident waiting to happen' springs to mind and if/when it does, he will quite possibly (through inaction and a refusal to recognise the unique risks children are open to) be personally culpable, some of the things you mention could see him in a court if the worst were to happen.