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AIBU to have concerns about my husband's attitude to our children's safety?

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Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 11:27

Please can I ask whether you think I am being unreasonable to be worried about my husband’s stance/behaviour on these kid’s safety issues? When I’ve tried to raise these things with him I usually get told I’m being over-sensitive and very little, if anything, changes. Here goes:

  • Leaves dangerous things lying around – for example, antifreeze in a bottle without a lid on the other day (in a VIMTO bottle nonetheless, so very appealing to the kids). Other times – bottles of superglue, random car and or chemical stuff etc. When my eldest was a baby I asked him not to put a device with a button battery within reach in her room. He argued, put it out of reach and then moved it down a few days later without my knowledge. I then found her in said room with said item, with the button battery missing which resulted in an incredibly stressful 45 minutes on the phone to 111 and searching for the battery, worried that her insides could be being burnt by it, as per the BBC info-campaign I’d seen. I found the battery, but that wasn’t really the point.
  • Refuses to move his toiletries bag from within reach of the children – these contain his medication and scissors. On another occasion, our 20-month-old accessed his medication from his toiletries bag, after he pooh-pahed my concern about this. He then told me I was being paranoid about her holding his pills as she couldn’t get them out. I decided to let it run while watching her the whole time, to prove the risk to him – within minutes she had the pills out of their packaging and in her hand. He then had to come running through to get them away from her, as I was breastfeeding my youngest. Despite this incident, he still leaves his toiletries and medication in the same place, despite me clearing space for these items in an alternative place in the bathroom.
  • Leaves the children in the car alone – its hard to tell how long this is for and at what distance. I know he left both kids in the car when he was at a workshop recently. He told me he got my eldest out when she set the alarm off, and left the younger one sleeping. I think the car was in sight of the workshop. When they went of running errands recently my eldest also told me ‘Daddy left us in the car watching Peppa Pig’. I don’t know were they were or how long this was for but if it was for 2 minutes to pay for petrol while watching the car, I can’t see he’d have set Peppa Pig up.
  • Leaves fire starting materials in reach of the children – matches, firelighters, fire starting fluids (albeit with child proof tops), insecticide spray and poop-pahing me when I have said I want to move these out of reach.
  • Refused to get a fireguard when the kids were younger (and wont now, although there are older and more aware of fire safety).
  • Takes the kids to the park and leaves them in the enclosed area while he drives his monster truck adjacent to the park. The kids are 3 and 4 so I often end up ‘spotting’ or assisting them on equipment when I take them to the park. Him not being very nearby, to dive in if required, bothers me.
  • Installing locks on the children’s doors and locking them into their room to play, while he works in another room (‘supervising’ them on their babycam). I don’t like the ‘distance supervising’ or the psychological impact of them feeling ‘locked in’. They have told me they don’t like it.
  • Inadequate supervision when out – on several occasions my eldest has told me they got ‘lost’ or couldn’t find Daddy, when they were out. In the summer he had them all day at a public event and my eldest told me there were approached by a lady asking where their Mummy was. I feel they must have been out of his sight for a while on this occasion (he admitted to me they had ‘gone round the back of the tent’ at one point) as, as an adult, I tend to observe potentially lost children for a little while before approaching them , looking round for a parent who may be watching from a distance or frantically looking for them.

What do you think of these behaviours? AIBU to be really worried?

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Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 12:00

@Cupoftchaiagain

Been thinking about you OP. How does he behave to you. Because actually this neglect of his kids Is coming across as a way to control you.
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4080184-Should-I-think-my-husband-is-awful-for-telling-me-he-wants-a-decision-on-our-marriage-to-be-made-in-time-for-him-to-meet-someone-else-and-start-a-new-family?msgid=101820006#101820006
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Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 12:01

@Cupoftchaiagain

Been thinking about you OP. How does he behave to you. Because actually this neglect of his kids Is coming across as a way to control you.
And the second post: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4080165-AIBU-or-would-you-feel-coerced-controlled-by-this-lunchtime-pizza-behaviour?msgid=101863528
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LittleWhiteFeather · 18/11/2020 12:01

It's almost as if he WANTS something bad to happen to your children!

timeforanewstart · 18/11/2020 12:04

Yes I would be very worried about all of these

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 12:04

@rm15

You are facilitating this dangerous behaviour and thus allowing your children potentially to be harmed. Wtf is wrong with him and you for letting this carry on. Is it a control thing? Stop him NOW before something serious happens. I would be moving everything dangerous and telling him every single time that he was a twat. Continue and repeat. Doesn’t like it he leaves. I just cannot be sympathetic to anyone who KNOWLY puts their children in harms way, accidentally or otherwise. Locking them in their bedrooms!?!? Just what!?!?! I tried to work out which was the worst. There are too many to choose from to be honest I just cant get my head around it. You want to be careful he doesn’t lose them/ leave them in the car when your not there and someone passerby reports him to the police. I’m sure social services would be interested in his parenting standards. This is genuinely the most shocking thing I have read on here in a while. Again, WTF!?!?
I've just posted some further info which will help you understand the position I am in.

I spoke to a social worker about a number of these things several years ago and her response about him wanting to leave the kids in the house alone (yep forgot to mention that one!) was - maybe he doesn't know what's appropriate because he's a bit autistic. My response? He's a police officer, he should know this is unacceptable. I put in a complaint about her and 18 months later they still haven't formally responded to me.

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ChaToilLeam · 18/11/2020 12:06

This is neglect to the point of child endangerment. OP, in your shoes, I would not just be planning to leave, I would be speaking to a solicitor and social services, because there is no way he should have unsupervised access to your children. This is actually chilling.

CovidAnni · 18/11/2020 12:08

None of those behaviours are good, but
"Takes the kids to the park and leaves them in the enclosed area while he drives his monster truck adjacent to the park. The kids are 3 and 4 so I often end up ‘spotting’ or assisting them on equipment when I take them to the park. Him not being very nearby, to dive in if required, bothers me." made my blood run cold

Tootsietoot · 18/11/2020 12:08

I as lax as they come and came on to tell you to chill. But he's a twat who seems to deliberately want to push this as far as it will go. He is awful to you. Is he like this in other areas of your life?

ChaToilLeam · 18/11/2020 12:08

Just saw your update re social services: that’s unacceptable and needs taken further, have you followed up on your complaint since?

Cupoftchaiagain · 18/11/2020 12:08

How old are your children now?
If you are leaving him which I fervently hope you are please speak to woman’s aid to make a plan and to health visitor, sws to share your plan and your concerns. I would be extremely concerned about his unsupervised contact with them and you will need to have your concerns on this documented. Along with the actions you are taking to protect them.
Now is not the time to be passive. For the sake of these kids you need to gather your allies, get advice, and make them safe.

LIZS · 18/11/2020 12:09

This is the third thread of yours I've seen in last few days. Some of those would fall within perception of risk, others are downright dangerous. Advice is same you need to leave, or make him leave, for your sanity and to safeguard your dc. To do otherwise is risking their health and wellbeing, let alone yours.

Oreservoir · 18/11/2020 12:09

I would get someone he respects to talk to him.
He's either an idiot or has some psychological issues.
Locking children away from any responsible adult is wrong. I'm surprised you have allowed this.

LindaEllen · 18/11/2020 12:11

Sorry but there's no way I'd have this man living in the same house as my children, father or not :(.

MedusasBadHairDay · 18/11/2020 12:12

He's police?! FFS. Run OP, run and don't look back.

Wallabyone · 18/11/2020 12:16

Those things, so many of them together, are terrible. I can't believe he leaves such tiny children alone in the park, or locks them in their room?! Bloody hell, if he won't listen to reason, then I wouldn't trust him with the children alone, at all. And then, what is the point of remaining as a family, with him, if you can't trust him. I find his behaviour abhorrent; you need to sort it out before they get bigger. It's a mixture of neglect and control-what will he do when they don't do as he says, stay where they leave him?

borageforager · 18/11/2020 12:18

He is a police officer? There are red flags all over the place here.

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 18/11/2020 12:18

Fuck me. Protect your kids (and yourself). Have my first LTB.

ekidmxcl · 18/11/2020 12:22

What a fucking halfwit he is.

Leaving him is no use, then you won’t even know what dangerous shit he is doing.

Your best course of action is to educate your 3yo and 4yo very carefully as to what can be dangerous. Teach them that meds look like sweets. Teach them that poisons can be found in drinks bottles. You can teach kids of this age. My kids understood at 4yo that things were poisonous and you must know what you’re eating.

PrincessNutNut · 18/11/2020 12:22

You WHAT?????

PrincessNutNut · 18/11/2020 12:22

I should probably clarify...I don't mean "you" as in OP, as obviously she isn't doing these deranged things...

katy1213 · 18/11/2020 12:24

It beggars belief that you would make a formal complaint about a social worker who offered an opinion about your husband's behaviour - whilst you knowingly and irresponsibly leave your children in his care. Why are with you this man for a day longer?

dottiedodah · 18/11/2020 12:27

Just gasping with shock/horror at this post TBH! Cant believe hes a Police Officer! For once lost for words.I would re think this R/L pretty quickly I think .It will be too late if one of them has a nasty near miss! Is he loving to them ? The whole set up seems odd to me.

saraclara · 18/11/2020 12:32

@katy1213

It beggars belief that you would make a formal complaint about a social worker who offered an opinion about your husband's behaviour - whilst you knowingly and irresponsibly leave your children in his care. Why are with you this man for a day longer?
Presumably because if she leaves him the kids will be with him unsupervised for up to 50% of the time. And who knows what risks he'll take when she's not there to nag him.
GenevaL · 18/11/2020 12:33

My goodness. This is alarming stuff, especially as a lot of it isn’t merely forgetful stuff but rather deliberate. It’s like he’s testing to see what happens because he doesn’t care. I don’t say this at all lightly but I think they are at risk with him. He’s not upset or worried or berating himself when things go wrong due to his negligence and the children are at risk of harm - he just isn’t bothered:

Does he have a personality that takes risks or is fearless in general? Adrenaline sports, no real fears of speeding in cars / heights etc? There can be psychological conditions where people just don’t respond to danger in the normal way. His only excuse here is if he quite genuinely can’t process the risk he is subjecting them to. Even then, they aren’t safe with him.

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 12:34

@katy1213

It beggars belief that you would make a formal complaint about a social worker who offered an opinion about your husband's behaviour - whilst you knowingly and irresponsibly leave your children in his care. Why are with you this man for a day longer?
That was only part of the complaint. I've tried to limit his unsupervised time with them and in the past that worked well as his Mum used to be there when he looked after them, so I could at least trust her. Since Covid that's all changed. I haven't left because unless I get some support from SS, I can't insist on supervised access only. It's Hobson's choice at the moment but I feel this way at least I can try and limit the risks.
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