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AIBU to have concerns about my husband's attitude to our children's safety?

278 replies

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 11:27

Please can I ask whether you think I am being unreasonable to be worried about my husband’s stance/behaviour on these kid’s safety issues? When I’ve tried to raise these things with him I usually get told I’m being over-sensitive and very little, if anything, changes. Here goes:

  • Leaves dangerous things lying around – for example, antifreeze in a bottle without a lid on the other day (in a VIMTO bottle nonetheless, so very appealing to the kids). Other times – bottles of superglue, random car and or chemical stuff etc. When my eldest was a baby I asked him not to put a device with a button battery within reach in her room. He argued, put it out of reach and then moved it down a few days later without my knowledge. I then found her in said room with said item, with the button battery missing which resulted in an incredibly stressful 45 minutes on the phone to 111 and searching for the battery, worried that her insides could be being burnt by it, as per the BBC info-campaign I’d seen. I found the battery, but that wasn’t really the point.
  • Refuses to move his toiletries bag from within reach of the children – these contain his medication and scissors. On another occasion, our 20-month-old accessed his medication from his toiletries bag, after he pooh-pahed my concern about this. He then told me I was being paranoid about her holding his pills as she couldn’t get them out. I decided to let it run while watching her the whole time, to prove the risk to him – within minutes she had the pills out of their packaging and in her hand. He then had to come running through to get them away from her, as I was breastfeeding my youngest. Despite this incident, he still leaves his toiletries and medication in the same place, despite me clearing space for these items in an alternative place in the bathroom.
  • Leaves the children in the car alone – its hard to tell how long this is for and at what distance. I know he left both kids in the car when he was at a workshop recently. He told me he got my eldest out when she set the alarm off, and left the younger one sleeping. I think the car was in sight of the workshop. When they went of running errands recently my eldest also told me ‘Daddy left us in the car watching Peppa Pig’. I don’t know were they were or how long this was for but if it was for 2 minutes to pay for petrol while watching the car, I can’t see he’d have set Peppa Pig up.
  • Leaves fire starting materials in reach of the children – matches, firelighters, fire starting fluids (albeit with child proof tops), insecticide spray and poop-pahing me when I have said I want to move these out of reach.
  • Refused to get a fireguard when the kids were younger (and wont now, although there are older and more aware of fire safety).
  • Takes the kids to the park and leaves them in the enclosed area while he drives his monster truck adjacent to the park. The kids are 3 and 4 so I often end up ‘spotting’ or assisting them on equipment when I take them to the park. Him not being very nearby, to dive in if required, bothers me.
  • Installing locks on the children’s doors and locking them into their room to play, while he works in another room (‘supervising’ them on their babycam). I don’t like the ‘distance supervising’ or the psychological impact of them feeling ‘locked in’. They have told me they don’t like it.
  • Inadequate supervision when out – on several occasions my eldest has told me they got ‘lost’ or couldn’t find Daddy, when they were out. In the summer he had them all day at a public event and my eldest told me there were approached by a lady asking where their Mummy was. I feel they must have been out of his sight for a while on this occasion (he admitted to me they had ‘gone round the back of the tent’ at one point) as, as an adult, I tend to observe potentially lost children for a little while before approaching them , looking round for a parent who may be watching from a distance or frantically looking for them.

What do you think of these behaviours? AIBU to be really worried?

OP posts:
VulvaPerson · 18/11/2020 14:32

Wow, came expecting this to be a storm in a teacup, but absolutely you should be concerned and I would not be having this man around my kids tbh until he sorted this shit out. So much of it is so easy to do, and could have devastating consequences, so why not just move it?!

Was honestly expecting this to be along the lines of..he took them to the park and they fell off the slide and he told them to stop crying and just get back to playing or something. But this thread is hugely concerning.

VulvaPerson · 18/11/2020 14:33

I would hope given circumstances, that if you did leave, he would not be able to have unsupervised contact. But not exactly sure how that all works as not been through it. So sorry you are in this situation.

Wiredforsound · 18/11/2020 14:34

Christ the Night. It sounds like he’s actively trying to kill them! Normally, I think people with headlines like this are overreacting, but in this case I think you underreacting. You are in a tricky situation and would need to insist on supervised access if/when you leave.

Mhschoolq · 18/11/2020 14:41

Wow! I know this sounds weird, but do you have a cat? I couldn’t help but think “toxoplasmosis” when I read that. Might be reaching - but it causes reckless behaviour. (Although that’s worth a science-check, as this is something I remember reading about but I am not a doctor.)

Was he always like that? Even pre-kids?

BestZebbie · 18/11/2020 14:47

What would have happened if you had bought a fireguard yourself?
Would he have actively removed it and thrown it away/destroyed it?
Would he have punished you verbally or otherwise?
I think that may also be relevant here.

Graciebobcat · 18/11/2020 14:47

Did he want children? Sounds like he didn't, just finds them an inconvenience and is reckless as to whether harm befalls them.

IfIHadAHeart · 18/11/2020 14:52

I’m struggling to see why you wouldn’t at the very least buy a fire guard, remove the locks and put any dangerous items you see out of reach?

Your H sounds horrible and I couldn’t live with him. I think you know you need to leave but, while you are choosing to remain in the house knowing how little he cares about safety, you need to take more responsibility for them yourself. Don’t allow him the opportunity to put them in danger.

IwishIwasyoda · 18/11/2020 14:53

OP none of this is satisfactory, surely you know this? all the items on your list are real safety risks / issues and I don't really understand why you aren't doing more to protect your children from serious harm. You need to leave or ask him to leave. And I often don't say this on MN or in real life

is there something else going on here you haven't mentioned re your husband's behaviour - i.e. mental health diagnosis, drug and or alcohol use, DV, etc. You need some help urgently

ZombieAttack · 18/11/2020 14:54

It’s pure luck that something hasn’t actually happened to your children so far. Then you would get a safeguarding referral. Your kids could have a serious accident, or worse.

As a nurse I could list the accidents I’ve seen from parents not supervising their kids, button batteries, drownings. Is he waiting for something to happen as he sounds down right irresponsible and I can’t believe SS aren’t concerned.

JohnMcCainsDeathStare · 18/11/2020 14:55

He is eloquent in his lack of action to you and the kids. It seems drastic but I really don't think that it would affect him that much if you were to end this since he really does not care about you or your children. Or would care when it is too late.
Make sure you do your homework first before issuing an ultimatum. I have had too much experience at being seen as someone at the bottom of everyone's pile.

Royalbloo · 18/11/2020 14:56

My Dad used to do shit like that until my mum found my brother half alive in the swimming pool

ImMoana · 18/11/2020 14:57

I decided to let it run while watching her the whole time, to prove the risk to him – within minutes she had the pills out of their packaging and in her hand

WTAF am I reading? You both sound a neglectful pair of idiots.

He leaves a 3 and 4 year old alone in a playground?

I mean, seriously?! What do you need to happen that will make you step up and protect your children?! Fucks sake.

PS I read the other threads and have no idea why you are in a relationship with this man. Talk about flogging a dead horse.

butterpuffed · 18/11/2020 14:59

You're asking if you're unreasonable ????? I'm extremely surprised that you need to ask.

Namechangearoo · 18/11/2020 15:01

My first thought on reading this is that he must be manipulative to have you questioning yourself on something so obviously unsafe. Most people wouldn’t need to ask if they were overreacting here.

AintOverUntilTheCatLadySings · 18/11/2020 15:02

@GalaxyCookieCrumble

I tell you this now, take the locks off your DC door, this is a true story, I work in the NHS and we would put a referral into SS for this alone, and colleagues on Home Visits actually have seen this, and reported. You definitely have a problem with him. In this case I think you perhaps need to get someone to speak to him, careless, selfish or unfazed unaware, either way he is putting your DC at risk.
We've got locks on the outside of all of our bedrooms doors because our cat can open doors using a handle (and we want to keep him out of the bedrooms sometimes. We obviously don't lock anyone in.

Would this still raise a red flag to midwives on call? Expecting a second child and now I'm worried…

DioneTheDiabolist · 18/11/2020 15:03

The bin is your friend OP. If he leaves his shit where the DC can get it, put it in the bin. Medicine, tools, equipment, gadgets in the bin. Take control of fire safety yourself. Put flammable stuff out of reach. Buy a fire guard and put it up.

TBH I'd leave him, but you haven't so I assume you want to stay so you will have to solve as many of the problems as you can since he doesn't give a shit.

Nottherealslimshady · 18/11/2020 15:05

Honestly. Based on your other threads I'd say he's doing it deliberately to spite you.

Personally I'd be throwing anything of danger belonging to DH outside if he left it reach of a child. Multiple things there that could have killed your children or allowed them to be kidnapped.

You need to leave him really. But I dont know what you'll do about contact. He's not safe in the house with the children and you cant supervise him at all times.

StephenBelafonte · 18/11/2020 15:05

It wasn't just him who refused to put a fireguard up. It was you too.

Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 18/11/2020 15:11

JESUS CHRIST are you sure he’s not actually trying to kill them?!?

pallisers · 18/11/2020 15:14

Is he trying to kill them? It certainly sounds like he is.

StephenBelafonte · 18/11/2020 15:15

JESUS CHRIST are you sure he’s not actually trying to kill them?!?

Actually, this is a really valid point. It DOES sound as though he is trying to kill them. Don't be surprised if you get reported to police or social services via this thread OP. It's been done before.

Where are you when all this is going on?

Shetoshe · 18/11/2020 15:17

Insane levels of risks being taken with such young children. My DC are the same age as yours and I would go crazy at pretty much all of the above. My husband has always been lax about certain safety aspects - we live on a farm and as he grew up here and it "didn't do him any harm" he takes risks with our DC that I never would. As a consequence I don't let them go with him to the farmyard. I know he's their parent but as far as I'm concerned he doesn't have their best interests at heart so I overrule him.

I can see from your previous posts that this man is a horror show and I absolutely don't blame you for leaving. I wanted to leave when my DC were younger but there was absolutely no way I was going to give him unsupervised access to them when they were babies, just no way. I was sick at the thought. It's a horrible conundrum to be in.

Do you think he'd actually want access if you split? Or would he be too lazy/Take the bare minimum? Depending on the personalities of your DC I'd give it another year or so if you can bear it so the younger child has started school and is a little more safety aware. Then divorce this horrible prick and hope he's too lazy to maintain much contact. Start keeping a detailed record of every time he does something idiotic with their safety - if you know he's going to leave the DC unattended in the car ring and report him so they have a record.

Sorry you're having to deal with this OP. It's incredibly stressful. Flowers

Shetoshe · 18/11/2020 15:18

I absolutely don't blame you for not leaving

Mhschoolq · 18/11/2020 15:19

Gosh op - I just read the full thread and a bit of your other two. Forget my last comment; and you definitely need to leave.