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AIBU to have concerns about my husband's attitude to our children's safety?

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Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 11:27

Please can I ask whether you think I am being unreasonable to be worried about my husband’s stance/behaviour on these kid’s safety issues? When I’ve tried to raise these things with him I usually get told I’m being over-sensitive and very little, if anything, changes. Here goes:

  • Leaves dangerous things lying around – for example, antifreeze in a bottle without a lid on the other day (in a VIMTO bottle nonetheless, so very appealing to the kids). Other times – bottles of superglue, random car and or chemical stuff etc. When my eldest was a baby I asked him not to put a device with a button battery within reach in her room. He argued, put it out of reach and then moved it down a few days later without my knowledge. I then found her in said room with said item, with the button battery missing which resulted in an incredibly stressful 45 minutes on the phone to 111 and searching for the battery, worried that her insides could be being burnt by it, as per the BBC info-campaign I’d seen. I found the battery, but that wasn’t really the point.
  • Refuses to move his toiletries bag from within reach of the children – these contain his medication and scissors. On another occasion, our 20-month-old accessed his medication from his toiletries bag, after he pooh-pahed my concern about this. He then told me I was being paranoid about her holding his pills as she couldn’t get them out. I decided to let it run while watching her the whole time, to prove the risk to him – within minutes she had the pills out of their packaging and in her hand. He then had to come running through to get them away from her, as I was breastfeeding my youngest. Despite this incident, he still leaves his toiletries and medication in the same place, despite me clearing space for these items in an alternative place in the bathroom.
  • Leaves the children in the car alone – its hard to tell how long this is for and at what distance. I know he left both kids in the car when he was at a workshop recently. He told me he got my eldest out when she set the alarm off, and left the younger one sleeping. I think the car was in sight of the workshop. When they went of running errands recently my eldest also told me ‘Daddy left us in the car watching Peppa Pig’. I don’t know were they were or how long this was for but if it was for 2 minutes to pay for petrol while watching the car, I can’t see he’d have set Peppa Pig up.
  • Leaves fire starting materials in reach of the children – matches, firelighters, fire starting fluids (albeit with child proof tops), insecticide spray and poop-pahing me when I have said I want to move these out of reach.
  • Refused to get a fireguard when the kids were younger (and wont now, although there are older and more aware of fire safety).
  • Takes the kids to the park and leaves them in the enclosed area while he drives his monster truck adjacent to the park. The kids are 3 and 4 so I often end up ‘spotting’ or assisting them on equipment when I take them to the park. Him not being very nearby, to dive in if required, bothers me.
  • Installing locks on the children’s doors and locking them into their room to play, while he works in another room (‘supervising’ them on their babycam). I don’t like the ‘distance supervising’ or the psychological impact of them feeling ‘locked in’. They have told me they don’t like it.
  • Inadequate supervision when out – on several occasions my eldest has told me they got ‘lost’ or couldn’t find Daddy, when they were out. In the summer he had them all day at a public event and my eldest told me there were approached by a lady asking where their Mummy was. I feel they must have been out of his sight for a while on this occasion (he admitted to me they had ‘gone round the back of the tent’ at one point) as, as an adult, I tend to observe potentially lost children for a little while before approaching them , looking round for a parent who may be watching from a distance or frantically looking for them.

What do you think of these behaviours? AIBU to be really worried?

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ColdCottage · 18/11/2020 19:18

YANBU

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Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 19:19

@ekidmxcl

What a fucking halfwit he is.

Leaving him is no use, then you won’t even know what dangerous shit he is doing.

Your best course of action is to educate your 3yo and 4yo very carefully as to what can be dangerous. Teach them that meds look like sweets. Teach them that poisons can be found in drinks bottles. You can teach kids of this age. My kids understood at 4yo that things were poisonous and you must know what you’re eating.

Yes I've been doing this as much as I can.
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PuzzlingPieces · 18/11/2020 19:21

I would leave my husband over this and make sure I had a log/evidence too because this is neglect and no way in hell would he be getting unsupervised contact thereafter. He is utterly deranged. There's being "relaxed" and practical about a reasonable level of risk in life but this is just beyond.

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 19:21

@GenevaL

My goodness. This is alarming stuff, especially as a lot of it isn’t merely forgetful stuff but rather deliberate. It’s like he’s testing to see what happens because he doesn’t care. I don’t say this at all lightly but I think they are at risk with him. He’s not upset or worried or berating himself when things go wrong due to his negligence and the children are at risk of harm - he just isn’t bothered:

Does he have a personality that takes risks or is fearless in general? Adrenaline sports, no real fears of speeding in cars / heights etc? There can be psychological conditions where people just don’t respond to danger in the normal way. His only excuse here is if he quite genuinely can’t process the risk he is subjecting them to. Even then, they aren’t safe with him.

Never once been upset, worried or berated himself. Has been irritated with me for pushing him on safety points. And been quick to try and point the finger at me (as per my update post earlier).
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alexdgr8 · 18/11/2020 19:23

the whole relationship sounds dysfunctional.
your tone sounds like an employee trying to persuade a boss to do/ get something, as if you need his authorisation before you can take action.
why didn't you just buy the fireguard.
and move hazardous items out of sight and reach. the chemicals in pop bottles has been a well-publicised no no for over 50 years. and he is a police officer ?? what duties ?
your lack of active intervention to protect your children is also worrying. you seem too bound up in analysing his behaviour, as if trying to prove a point rather than intervening decisively to keep the children from predictable dangers.
just remove the locks from doors. his point is nonsense, they can come find you if need be while you are working.
i think you need to give your head a wobble, as they say on here. and stand up for your children.
you are giving far too much attention and deference to him and not enough care to your children.
all the best.

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 19:25

@Marjoriesdoor

Everything you have written is incredibly worrying. I work with children and if I were to become aware of some of the things you have written, I would be making a safeguarding referral for the child/children.

You need professional support and advice to enable you to remove him from your home and prevent unsupervised access to your children.

The thought of my own children being looked after by someone like this makes me feel sick so I can only imagine how you must be feeling.

I can understand the harsh tone of some of the previous posters who are shocked you would allow this to continue but if you are the victim of coercive control for long enough, you lose sight of what is normal and the perpetrators are very good at convincing you that the problem is you.

It's good that you have asked for advice, now speak to Women's Aid and move forward from there. You know this cannot continue or you wouldn't have posted.

Good luck!

I agree - I know why people are shocked and angry - but thank you for recognising that being in a coercive relationship changes everything.
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endofthelinefinally · 18/11/2020 19:27

Of course it isn't ok.
But what are her chances?
He is a policeman.
He knows he holds most of the cards.
He is clever and manipulative.
I know from personal experience what the OP is up against.
It is a really desperate situation to be in.
I am not saying it is right.
It is just dreadful, but the risk of being forced to leave the children with this monster is very real.

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endofthelinefinally · 18/11/2020 19:34

Look at the relationships board.
It is heartbreaking.
Even women who run away with their children are pursued, prosecuted, forced to allow access.
Do you think for one minute the police would take seriously any complaint about one of their own?
So many women who want to escape, but terrified of the risk to their child if the court grant unsupervised contact.

alexdgr8 · 18/11/2020 19:36

have you got any relatives you could leave them with for a short time.
you need to break this cycle. urgently.
does he do martial arts. i have noticed a high incidence of DV or worse by men who do, while appearing outwardly respectable.
extreme sports is probably in the same league.
there have been many cases in the news.
get out now.

endofthelinefinally · 18/11/2020 19:42

It took me years to work out why I was scared to go to other kids houses to play. Why I was scared of other children's dads. They must have wondered what was wrong with me.

PicsInRed · 18/11/2020 19:42

@endofthelinefinally

All those demanding to know why OP hasn't left, unfortunately the courts insist that children must be left alone with abusive men for extended periods of time. This is why mothers are trapped. It is shocking, but it is what it is.
This. It's true.

It's why women stay longer than they want to stay - even when they could financially or physically leave, they can't protect the kids if they leave. Then people say stupid things like "you're an abuser by staying, you're exposing them to abuse" - wise up and realise these guys get 30-50% overnights no problem. The really motivated ones go for 100% and mean it. Women with these men know exactly what they and the kids are in for when they leave. It's not going to be like the feel good "ask for help" ads, it will be picking up the pieces half the time when the kids come back from Dad's, broken and mentally battered.

The OP is going to have to play this very, very cleverly, because she's dealing with a psychopath.

It's not women who stay in abusive marriages, it's the family court which keeps them there.

PicsInRed · 18/11/2020 19:49

OP, these people get bored extremely easily. Be less useful to him and make yourself and the kids dull as dish water. He may find someone else and leave. The tough part will be giving him no drama and entertainment during separation - easier if you're ready and have your support in place. If you're lucky, he'll totally lose interest over time.

www.healthline.com/health/grey-rock#offer-nothing

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alexdgr8 · 18/11/2020 19:56

[quote PicsInRed]OP, these people get bored extremely easily. Be less useful to him and make yourself and the kids dull as dish water. He may find someone else and leave. The tough part will be giving him no drama and entertainment during separation - easier if you're ready and have your support in place. If you're lucky, he'll totally lose interest over time.

www.healthline.com/health/grey-rock#offer-nothing[/quote]
yes. this is good advice. psychopath types feed off reactions.

Mittens030869 · 18/11/2020 20:06

It's not women who stay in abusive marriages, it's the family court which keeps them there.

^ This. It’s been repeated on so many threads (and I’ve worked as a legal secretary in the Family Department of a law firm so I know it’s true), yet on these boards women in this position are constantly castigated for not leaving.

Also, when you’ve been in an abusive relationship, it’s so hard to see the reality. (I’m thinking of my DM here, who didn’t see how abusive my F was, to her and us.)

Please call Women’s Aid, OP, and access whatever other support is available to you in RL. You and your DC deserve so much better. Flowers

gingerbiscuits · 18/11/2020 20:33

Hell, yes!! He sounds like a f@cking idiot who doesn't give a sh!t about his kids!!
None of us is perfect - we've all had 'hindsight' moments or taken our eyes off our kids for a split second, but all of those examples with such young children, in addition to his attitude, is utterly horrifying!!

LoadsOfTrouble · 18/11/2020 20:57

Locking the children in their room to have time to himself?

Messing about on a 'monster truck' (whatever that is) instead of playing with them outdoors?

And then being dismissive of your concerns to boot.

All sounds pretty shit. You're not being unreasonable to be worried.

LoveMyKidsAndCats · 18/11/2020 21:06

Omg don't let him look after your kids he doesn't sound capable of keeping them safe. As their mother, you need to protect them at all times. Even from their father.

endofthelinefinally · 18/11/2020 21:48

@LoveMyKidsAndCats

Omg don't let him look after your kids he doesn't sound capable of keeping them safe. As their mother, you need to protect them at all times. Even from their father.
Have you read the thread?
PodgeBod · 18/11/2020 21:49

This is so sad. It's like he's hoping something will happen to them. I really hope you can get you and the kids free soon, OP. I think the advice to make yourself really boring and hope he leaves is good.