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AIBU to have concerns about my husband's attitude to our children's safety?

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Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 11:27

Please can I ask whether you think I am being unreasonable to be worried about my husband’s stance/behaviour on these kid’s safety issues? When I’ve tried to raise these things with him I usually get told I’m being over-sensitive and very little, if anything, changes. Here goes:

  • Leaves dangerous things lying around – for example, antifreeze in a bottle without a lid on the other day (in a VIMTO bottle nonetheless, so very appealing to the kids). Other times – bottles of superglue, random car and or chemical stuff etc. When my eldest was a baby I asked him not to put a device with a button battery within reach in her room. He argued, put it out of reach and then moved it down a few days later without my knowledge. I then found her in said room with said item, with the button battery missing which resulted in an incredibly stressful 45 minutes on the phone to 111 and searching for the battery, worried that her insides could be being burnt by it, as per the BBC info-campaign I’d seen. I found the battery, but that wasn’t really the point.
  • Refuses to move his toiletries bag from within reach of the children – these contain his medication and scissors. On another occasion, our 20-month-old accessed his medication from his toiletries bag, after he pooh-pahed my concern about this. He then told me I was being paranoid about her holding his pills as she couldn’t get them out. I decided to let it run while watching her the whole time, to prove the risk to him – within minutes she had the pills out of their packaging and in her hand. He then had to come running through to get them away from her, as I was breastfeeding my youngest. Despite this incident, he still leaves his toiletries and medication in the same place, despite me clearing space for these items in an alternative place in the bathroom.
  • Leaves the children in the car alone – its hard to tell how long this is for and at what distance. I know he left both kids in the car when he was at a workshop recently. He told me he got my eldest out when she set the alarm off, and left the younger one sleeping. I think the car was in sight of the workshop. When they went of running errands recently my eldest also told me ‘Daddy left us in the car watching Peppa Pig’. I don’t know were they were or how long this was for but if it was for 2 minutes to pay for petrol while watching the car, I can’t see he’d have set Peppa Pig up.
  • Leaves fire starting materials in reach of the children – matches, firelighters, fire starting fluids (albeit with child proof tops), insecticide spray and poop-pahing me when I have said I want to move these out of reach.
  • Refused to get a fireguard when the kids were younger (and wont now, although there are older and more aware of fire safety).
  • Takes the kids to the park and leaves them in the enclosed area while he drives his monster truck adjacent to the park. The kids are 3 and 4 so I often end up ‘spotting’ or assisting them on equipment when I take them to the park. Him not being very nearby, to dive in if required, bothers me.
  • Installing locks on the children’s doors and locking them into their room to play, while he works in another room (‘supervising’ them on their babycam). I don’t like the ‘distance supervising’ or the psychological impact of them feeling ‘locked in’. They have told me they don’t like it.
  • Inadequate supervision when out – on several occasions my eldest has told me they got ‘lost’ or couldn’t find Daddy, when they were out. In the summer he had them all day at a public event and my eldest told me there were approached by a lady asking where their Mummy was. I feel they must have been out of his sight for a while on this occasion (he admitted to me they had ‘gone round the back of the tent’ at one point) as, as an adult, I tend to observe potentially lost children for a little while before approaching them , looking round for a parent who may be watching from a distance or frantically looking for them.

What do you think of these behaviours? AIBU to be really worried?

OP posts:
CremeEggThief · 18/11/2020 15:21

If you do leave him, try to gain as much proof of how he has behaved , because as bad as this is now, you do not want this man having unsupervised contact with the children after you have split up. Please, please document as much as you can first.

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 15:21

@mummyoneboy19

I’ve read your previous threads as well as most of this one... why are you still making threads asking if he’s unreasonable? You think he is, you’ve got lots of people agreeing with you... what more do you want before you’ll leave?

I understand this is a big decision for you... but in all honesty something major is going to happen to your children before you’ve stopped dithering and getting reassurance from the internet.

I want enough evidence to make sure he doesn't have unsupervised contact with them. If he has them in a new house they are at massive risk. I'd rather stick round and mitigate as many of the risks as I can than risk not being able to do that.
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MrsG30 · 18/11/2020 15:23

If I knew you and knew this was going on I’d report to social services so you’d finally get the help you need.

I read this post and went cold - I feel like I’m a weeks time I’m going to scroll bbc news abs see an article about how a police officer killed his wife and kids.

You’ve got lots of good advice regarding pathways to get out - can you go stay with family or friends for a few days (sod lockdown in this case). Make the calls and disappear with the children.

Good luck Flowers

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/11/2020 15:24

I’m appalled. You must be frazzled. How much evidence do you have of this behaviour ? Please report this behaviour and get some support. I think I would start texting / emailing him to get evidence - of all his vile behaviour. Make sure you back up the messages in a secure location. Preferably paper copies at your parents house. Think of a really unobvious password such as “Ilikeeatingcornflakes”. Unfortunately some people utilise being in a position of authority to abuse others.

ohtheholidays · 18/11/2020 15:26

I can understand why your worried about leaving especially being as your Husband is a Police officer but you can contact Womens Aid,sadly they will have dealt with cases like yours and they can help you and your DC.

They can even show you how to cover your tracks online so that your husband doesn't know that your talking to anyone about getting help to leave.
www.womensaid.org.uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAqdP9BRDVARIsAGSZ8AmMuLEhUsNLpvFC-DBbCrpRNBbUXy_yXIxsjy8deunPQu4Zc6giKIoaApcaEALw_wcB

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/11/2020 15:26

@StephenBelafonte

It wasn't just him who refused to put a fireguard up. It was you too.
Nice bit of victim blaming Stephen. Are you a man by any chance? What part of men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them?
nocoolnamesleft · 18/11/2020 15:26

Sweet Jesus. Some of those are potentially fatal. Taken together this screams neglect.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 18/11/2020 15:27

What official support do you have while you're gathering evidence? Solicitor? Social services? Women's aid? Don't do this on your own. Don't leave those kids in a dangerous home one second longer than you need to ensure a safe future for them.

Happyheartlovelife · 18/11/2020 15:27

@StephenBelafonte

JESUS CHRIST are you sure he’s not actually trying to kill them?!?

Actually, this is a really valid point. It DOES sound as though he is trying to kill them. Don't be surprised if you get reported to police or social services via this thread OP. It's been done before.

Where are you when all this is going on?

I remember this happening before

Some woman was saying something about her child. Mumsnet people tracked her down and called the police.

ohtheholidays · 18/11/2020 15:30

With gaining evidence only do so if your sure he won't notice or find out what your doing!

Don't place yourself in danger whatever you do because if he finds out your plans on leaving and taking the children with you he could turn and be even worse than he already is.

LittleTiger007 · 18/11/2020 15:31

Wow. You should show him the results of the poll... or maybe you did. He was the 1% ??
He is a liability and I’m amazed your children are still ok.

Soubriquet · 18/11/2020 15:32

@LittleTiger007

Wow. You should show him the results of the poll... or maybe you did. He was the 1% ?? He is a liability and I’m amazed your children are still ok.
Jesus Christ do not show him your threads!

It will not end well

StephenBelafonte · 18/11/2020 15:32

Sorry I sounded blunt there @Mummyoflittledragon I'm a woman who would have put a fire guard up if my husband hadnt done so and I think anyone who needs a fire guard but who'se spouse hasn't put one up needs to put one up themselves, sorry.

KatherineJaneway · 18/11/2020 15:33

@LittleWhiteFeather

It's almost as if he WANTS something bad to happen to your children!
I agree
LittleTiger007 · 18/11/2020 15:33

If he is as lax as this once the children are in school,then it’s only a matter of time before the police and social services will be knocking on your door and you will be as much to blame for not acting.
His attitude is terrible neglect which is child abuse in law.

LittleTiger007 · 18/11/2020 15:35

@Soubriquet I agree now that I’ve read more of this thread!

mummyoneboy19 · 18/11/2020 15:36

@Kerals26 mumsnet isn’t going to provide evidence. I can’t help but think you have absolutely no intention of leaving, or doing anything to change your situation, and that you’re just going to continue posting new threads every few days.

Again, while you dither online your children are inching ever closer to serious harm. Why won’t you do something about that? You could get a fireguard yourself and remove the bedroom locks, for instance.

Soubriquet · 18/11/2020 15:39

[quote LittleTiger007]@Soubriquet I agree now that I’ve read more of this thread![/quote]
I’m glad you’ve seen that

Seriously though, unless agreed with a partner about posting on here, you shouldn’t show them anything!

Reactions could vary from hurt (I mean how would like it if you found your partner talking badly about you on a forum) to rage, and it would never end well

MadeForThis · 18/11/2020 15:41

I would warn him that anything left within reach of the dc would be put in the bin. I would happily throw out anything belonging to him that could endanger the kids.

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 15:41

[quote mummyoneboy19]@Kerals26 mumsnet isn’t going to provide evidence. I can’t help but think you have absolutely no intention of leaving, or doing anything to change your situation, and that you’re just going to continue posting new threads every few days.

Again, while you dither online your children are inching ever closer to serious harm. Why won’t you do something about that? You could get a fireguard yourself and remove the bedroom locks, for instance.[/quote]
I am taking action: I've spoke to SS this afternoon, joined The Freedom Programme to learn more about coercive control and have an assessment with a DA counsellor. I think that's quite a lot of progress for 72 hours.

OP posts:
mummyoneboy19 · 18/11/2020 15:42

@Kerals26 that’s fantastic, I hope you continue to make progress and leave him for your children’s safety and well-being.

Happyheartlovelife · 18/11/2020 15:44

I know this situation.

A family friend was in a similar situation. People don’t realise that these men grind you down. So much so that you barely have the confidence to put one foot in front of the other. I’ve seen it before my very eyes. These women don’t have the confidence. The men are clever. They know how to hit without leaving marks. What to do or say to make sure these women do t leave.

If you ever need a friendly ear. Please feel free to pm me.

thecakebadge · 18/11/2020 15:44

The thing is OP, in order to 'stick around to mitigate the risks' you'll be stuck with this man for many years to come. As your children get older, they may be mature enough to do things like not drink an open bottle of antifreeze (WTF) but something like locking them in their room would still be a safety issue (not to mention inappropriate) for an 8 year old. Something tells me as well that as your kids get older, your DH will simply raise the stakes e.g. leaving an 8 and 9 year old at home alone while he goes out by himself to drive his monster trucks or whatever. He will probably do progressively more and more dangeours behaviour as they get older so you will be trapped and never be able to leave until they are adults. And by that time you will have become even more ground down by his behaviour that you will probably feel unable to leave as you will have been with him and lived like that for so long that you almost can't see any other possibilities.

Collect evidence over the next couple of weeks. Leave after Christmas. Refuse unsupervised access and contact SS, your GP, a solicitor and anyone else you can think of with your concerns. This man should not be left alone with children.

LittleTiger007 · 18/11/2020 15:48

Oh wow op... I’ve just checked out your other posts. Your husband is a sociopath who clearly doesn’t love you or have a care on the world for your kids.
Please document everything and get help... get your children to safety.

Fizzydrinks123 · 18/11/2020 15:48

Well done on taking the right steps, official logging of incidents needs to occur; without documenting with support services it could be argued as you "twisting things etc"

You're taking the first steps to ensuring you have evidence to back up your reasons for no unsupervised contact.