To never tip a domino's delivery driver?

[Duemarch2021]

Just ordered a dominos but didn't tip.. the driver hung around like they were expecting one.. i never tip.. am i wrong for not tipping?? FYI Im the UK too by the way, i feel this makes a difference to answers i may get

Pointless whataboutery fallacy. Of course you should tip. The fact the society seems we tip one group of people and not others isn’t relevant to the question ‘should you tip for pizza’.

I never tip, driving is literally their job, they haven't put the order together and in the UK they're paid a reasonable wage

@Ghosts2020

I never tip, driving is literally their job, they haven't put the order together and in the UK they're paid a reasonable wage

Read the thread, this isn't always the case for takeaway deliveries.

I don't actually follow the logic as to how waiting staff are so hard done by because they're at your beck and call ... that is the entire purpose of the job

It doesn't excuse some customers being tossers about it, but yes this is true
I'm always reminded of a colleague who moaned constantly about the boss "wanting a letter typing", "a meeting sorting out" or whatever else

She was actually his secretary ...

Pointless whataboutery fallacy. Of course you should tip. The fact the society seems we tip one group of people and not others isn’t relevant to the question ‘should you tip for pizza’.

So do you offer tips to everybody who ever serves you in any way? I know not all will be allowed or want to accept them, but some would. If not, why do you feel so strongly about takeaway delivery people but not others on low wages in service industries? Society will only change if there's a groundswell of people who believe that arbitrary tipping gives low-paid workers more assurance than proper regular wages, and put their money where their mouth is - every single time.

If it's accepted that some jobs are routinely artificially propped up by customers making up the wages to something more realistic, nothing will ever change. I'm not talking about an occasional gift of gratitude for outstanding service or a token present of appreciation at Christmas - I mean the deliberate outsourcing of a big proportion of a fair wage to the whims and guilt feelings of customers.

It seems counter-productive to me and actually quite patronising to younger/lower-paid workers to accept that their employment should by custom be subject to permanent uncertainty. You would never find an accountant or plumber willing to issue artificially low invoices to customers and hinting that they'd like them to pay extra, if they think the person did their job well - and impressing on them that they won't be able to feed their families or pay their electricity bill should the customer decline to do so.

If heavy tipping subsidies stopped tomorrow, a lot of workers just wouldn't be in a position to keep working in these jobs - and then the employers would be forced either to go out of business or to start implementing a fairer economic model for everybody - workers knowing that they will be guaranteed a fair wage and customers knowing that the price quoted is indeed the actual price they're expected to pay.

We do it with Fairtrade for farmers and producers in developing countries - agree an acceptable price to pay them for their hard work and not just pay them rock bottom, figuring that 'well, otherwise they'd get nothing at all' - and maybe put the farmer's bank details on the pack of tea bags, in case any end consumers in wealthy countries happen to feel particularly generous and 'toss a pound or two to the poor person'. I'm sure that would help the farmer plan their livelihood confidently and give them an assured fair level of regular income

'I don't actually follow the logic as to how waiting staff are so hard done by because they're at your beck and call ... that is the entire purpose of the job'

It's not, actually. You're thinking of servants.

I'm always reminded of a colleague who moaned constantly about the boss "wanting a letter typing", "a meeting sorting out" or whatever else

She was actually his secretary ...

I saw a FB screen-print that was doing the rounds a few years ago where a young female employee complained about all of the 'shit' (i.e. her job) that her boss kept expecting her to do. She forgot she'd added him as a friend and he responded, telling her that he would be relieving her of all of the 'shit' as she needn't bother coming back in on Monday. She also complained about him constantly perving over her - when he was very publicly out of the closet

@wellthatsunusual clearly never worked in a pub/restaurant. Waiting staff aren't magicians and have other customers to serve then some snotty middle aged woman gets all moody because her Pinot wasn't delivered within 0.37 seconds of ordering it when she can quite clearly see that we are rushed off her feet so she should wait her turn. It is not the same as 'serving' in a shop or in a taxi. We aren't servants from 1607 people can click fingers at.

Anyway, thank you for tipping your waiting staff.

Went to Cornwall once and had a meal in one of Rick Stein's pubs. As I was paying and ordering (before we'd had any kind of notable service or food) the barman handed me the card reader with a tip screen to input the how much extra I wanted to give

Maybe Rick Stein streams customers for different levels of service? No tip=slow and surly, 10%= fast but lacking in warmth, 20%= efficient, friendly, effusive and stay as long as you want.

I never tip, I’ve worked in a minimum wage service job that is not tipped so I really don’t see the need in this country to tip some low paid service jobs and not others.

I do however, tip waiting staff or buy bar staff a drink. The amount of shit they goat from asshat customers and drunken idiots is horrendous, absolutely not worth the money and it's how I come to leave hospitality. It's a thankless job, serving nit wits on your feet all day. You actually run around, working your butt off for entitled, demanding guests who think they come above all customers, you're not doing that retail

I used to work in retail and while we didn't get drunk customers (that often) people were absolute arseholes. Rude, demanding, sweaty, never satisfied, and we often got treated as some sort of sub species 'because I pay your wages' The idea that only waiting staff get shit off of customers is just not true. And we never once got a tip, even when we went to the ends of the earth for customers, nor would we ever have expected one.

They were SWEARY, not sweaty. Although some were sweaty too.

There’s a lot of strange attitudes toward delivery drivers and people who work in shops who ‘only stand there while I pay for my stuff’ or whatever was said. The point is that with mental health issues on the rise due to Covid and lockdown and the rise of suicide rates, having luxuries such as takeaway or the ability to go and buy your food are just as vital on the whole as nhs workers who save lives, who are just doing their jobs. With proper ppe whereas the other workers I mentioned and others too, pharmacy staff as an example, struggle to get masks even. My point is that can’t we appreciate them all and be kinder in this strange time? A pound or two is nothing if you can afford a takeaway. Even 50p is showing you appreciate someone. I just think we all could be kinder not just to nhs who as someone else said, gain nothing by banging pots and pans once a week and some posters in windows. It’s just nice to be nice and I guess my point is that surely there is enough kindness in us to appreciate not only life saving nhs workers, but also the shop workers who allow us our food and alcohol and cigarettes if you drink and smoke as well as a sense of normality which is hard to come by atm, as well as the little luxuries that help such as deliveries of takeaway again that help us feel more normal. It helps mental health to be able to cling on to at least these small things. It doesn’t have to be one set of workers we appreciate. I don’t know where obesity comes into it to be honest but if you want to make comments like that then what about the added strain on the nhs of people having mental breakdowns as I did due to this situation? Small things matter. We don’t have to be only kind to the nhs. We can be kind to all those who help make our lives feel a bit more comfortable right now. I don’t understand how hard it is to grasp this. So what is 50p or a pound in the grand scheme? I’m sad for people if this is how we are going. Really. Fact is you’re not able to tip nhs or shop workers. But you do show appreciation by the posters and clapping for them and that’s lovely. The only way you can do the same for delivery drivers is to give them whatever change you have or want to give. It’s not their fault the other workers aren’t allowed to accept tips. I don’t know. It saddens me. I guess because of how bad my mental health went when I was in England and how helpful I found the shops and the takeaways to feel a bit more normal and less anxious. As well as the nhs who helped me during my breakdown who I gave appreciation to in person as well as shop workers who I always tell them I appreciate them and to stay safe and by being respectful of their rules and the queues without giving them trouble as other people do. I’m going on a tangent I suppose. My point is there is enough kindness to appreciate every worker who helps keep us fed, alive and healthy, and comfortable right now. However we can whether it be posters or tips

Maybe Rick Stein streams customers for different levels of service? No tip=slow and surly, 10%= fast but lacking in warmth, 20%= efficient, friendly, effusive and stay as long as you want.

That reminds me of the old joke about the filthy, stinking tramp who went to a barber's shop for a nice fresh haircut. The staff took pity and didn't have the heart to turn him away, but the disgust was evident on their faces throughout and they did the barest minimum rush-job possible before charging him, fully expecting him not to have any money to pay.

To their surprise, he was actually a wealthy eccentric and he paid for the haircut and gave them a £10,000 tip on top of it. Of course, they suddenly couldn't do enough for him and were super friendly.

The tramp left and then, two months later, came back - still stinking and dirty, but now with his hair back to how it had been before. The staff were completely OTT, treated him like a king and spent ages carefully giving him the best haircut ever and fussing over him. Afterwards, he thanked them and paid the cost, adding on a 1p tip. Their faces dropped and they eagerly asked "Could sir have made a mistake?"

"No!" he replied. "Last time's tip was for today and today's tip was for last time!"

I only tip if it's free delivery. If I paid £5 for delivery I don't tip.

Also I always feel like 1 or 2 quid is going to look really stingy and would feel worse giving that than nothing at all, as we pay by card so would be wierd handing over a £1. If it's cash I don't mind as I can say keep the change and that sounds normal. I over think things though.

@WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo

Takeaways in my area pay their drivers really well.........my friends dp earns £90 a night as a driver, from 5pm until 11ish. He does pay is own petrol but still, as a side job it isn't bad. And pays for all their luxuries and holidays.

I do tip tho, usually I'll round it up and tell them to keep the change so between £2/£3

Wow £90 for 6 hours worth of deliveries that’s really good. What do they deliver?

WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo and I agree anyone who brings me food gets a £2 tip

Wow £90 for 6 hours worth of deliveries that’s really good. What do they deliver?

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