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To have had enough of step son crying to get out of being reprimanded

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MillyA · 12/11/2020 20:04

He is 9 and generally a good kid but DH is stupidly reluctant to ever tell him off because he's so sensitive and to be honest I'm tired of it. The other kids get tellings off when needed.

We were all in the living room this afternoon and DSS was playing with the younger ones. He picked up and threw DD (18 months) onto the floor from his standing position, he's quite tall for his age so it was bloody high for a small baby/toddler to drop from.

DD hits the floor with a crash head first and starts screaming, i shouted "no!" and rush over to scoop her up and check if she's hurt.

DSS starts sobbing because he was expecting to be told off, yet upon DH seeing him crying he tells him it's ok it's over with now don't worry Confused

This is just one example in a long line of others where DSS really should have gotten a strict talking to but hasn't.

Two weeks ago he kicked DH full force in the groin (playing) which resulted in DH being unable to talk for a good few minutes and had tears in his eyes, but because DSS turned the water works on he escaped being told off. What should have happened was DH explaining to him in no uncertain terms how that's dangerous and he should never, ever do that.

Obviously I have a DH problem.

WWYD/S?

OP posts:
MillyA · 13/11/2020 01:18

I've just caught up with the last replies, thank you for the kind words it means alot!

I'm going to sleep in a sec but I will check back tomorrow and reply to any further posts.

I appreciate you all being a sounding board for me this evening and giving me the alternative POV's and advice.

OP posts:
Italiangreyhound · 13/11/2020 01:18

"I do worry that this will breed resentment as my eldest will have long since started to notice."

The kids will notice. Your dh needs to understand this. The four of them have a window to develop family relationships, this behaviour; if it continues will cause family division which could affect the children into the future.

"I'm also in agreement with those of you saying DSS is being set up to have the piss ripped out of him at school. DH sees his overt sensitivity as a trait to be protected, not worked with to adapt.

DH was bullied in school when he was a child so you'd think he would pre-empt that and try to work with DS to build up some resilience."

I'm afraid there are a lot of issues and I wonder if you would consider some sort of family therapy, or therapy?

Italiangreyhound · 13/11/2020 01:18

Crying at the drop of a hat is very harmful and not a good sign for any child, girls or boys. My son does this, he is very sensitive. He is adopted and we are having some support to help him regulate his emotions. It is not good for anyone to not be able to control their emotions. I am very emotional and sometimes it can make life hard. You don't need to be a heartless stone, but not being able to control crying about day to day stuff is just not good.

@SandyY2K thank you for your usual common sense. Some comments on this thread are utterly ridiculous!

Italiangreyhound · 13/11/2020 01:19

MillyA "It makes me sad that people think I don't like him. I love the boy. Yes he can get on my wick sometimes but no more than my own."

You sound like a lovely and caring step mum, please ignore the people asking and answering their own questions who do not know your family but think they do!

“I really do love him. I feel pretty shit now that I've come across as though I don't.” You have not come across that way. You have come across as very caring.

Graphista · 13/11/2020 01:23

Who has "drummed into you" that he's "sensitive" ? Just dh or his ex/sons mother too? Does she discipline him and he takes it and only plays up for dad or are they both spoiling him? If it's just dad and his Disney dad crap his ex is probably tearing her hair out too! She might even prove an ally as it would very much be for the benefit of her too if he cuts the Disney dad nonsense out!

If it's both of them that's going to be harder to manage as you can't control how he is dealt with at home, you can though make clear that different houses have different rules he's plenty old enough to understand that

is DH's fault (and his exes)

That's going to make it really difficult as dh won't want to be the "bad guy" or risk his son not wanting to see him when he hits awkward teen stage

I agree with majority of pps, I'd have instantly and seriously told him off too!

I've looked after and disciplined (when necessary) lots of "other people's kids" I think there may be an element of generational difference as I was raised that neighbours, parents friends, as well as aunts uncles and grandparents absolutely had the right to tell us off!

And if we went running to our parents crying that we'd been told off we'd get ANOTHER telling off for the bad behaviour and "making a show of us" too

Personally I think we need to get back to that setup! We'd have a damn sight more resilient kids then!

As you have an older child that's not dhs I'm wondering did you not notice the difference in how dh treated them both? Because surely that's an indicator of his unbalanced and unfair approach to parenting?

Anyway, you are where you are now.

In your shoes I'd be having serious words with dh BEFORE dss' next scheduled contact at yours (when is this?) and make certain things clear

1 DANGEROUS behaviour will not be tolerated from ANY of the children and that very much includes his son

2 ALL the children are to be disciplined and sanctioned in the same way for the same infractions with only age being a SLIGHTLY mitigating factor. Crocodile tears, sulks and similar will NOT only not get them out of a sanction it will lead to it increasing. I was a single parent, if dd protested a sanction or worse made the kind of fuss this kids making I'd have increased the sanction each and every time she didn't stop! She's no angel and nor am I but she's a far more resilient kid than many of her peers. Her closest 2 friends though had similar parenting and are similarly pretty resilient.

3 HIS (dh) sulking needs to stop now! It's childish, manipulative and controlling and recognised as a form of emotional abuse in adults.

4 IF his son continues to behave in risky ways then you WILL be deciding that in future dh needs to have contact away from your home. It's not ideal but safety of smaller dc especially HAS to come first

He (dh) needs to grow the fuck up!

I recently came across this article and thought it was pretty good might give you some idea how to approach him?

https://fathers.com/featured-resource-center-page/dont-be-a-disney-dad-guest-blog/

Or you could even send him the link when you think he'd be most receptive.

As a single parent when dd still saw her dad I had the same problem as in her dad just let her do what she liked and he didn't care for her properly and she came back from contact with her head all over the place! I'd then have to pick up the pieces of a confused, frightened, exhausted little girl usually an upset stomach too (combination of anxiety, lack of sleep and too much crap food at crazy times!) and at times she'd lash out.

Kids NEED boundaries, they may not like them "in the moment" but they make them feel secure, confident and loved.

On another thread recently I was talking about my dd having more freedom as she got older (into teen years) yet her peers at the same age who's parents hadn't enforced boundaries at a younger stage were going a bit wild and their parents were tearing their hair out and TRYING to rein them in, it was very much a case of "too little too late" dh REALLY needs to get a handle on this soon or when puberty hormones start kicking in you're going to have even more difficulty especially as it's a boy you're dealing with and they need to really control especially "violent" impulses.

Dh is really doing him no favours long term.

And alllll that is without even CONSIDERING how your dc are going to feel seeing this child getting away with (almost literally!) murder and they're getting a bollocking for as they will likely see it "the slightest thing" that will breed resentment and serious dysfunction - it's essentially the extreme golden child and scapegoat set up! And I'm betting your eldest will be the main scapegoat! Just read the "stately homes" threads on here to see the adult ramifications of that!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theodysseyonline.com/amp/7-reasons-why-being-the-golden-child-isnt-so-golden-2478390217

See point 5 in particular

The bullying point is a good one! Other kids won't tiptoe around him and if they sense his "weakness" it'll make him a prime target!

One of my dn's was like this, the messed up parenting admittedly started as they were premature snd very poorly for the first few years of life so understandably they were over protective, but when they started primary school his lack of resilience was noticed by the school (would cry even if asked to answer a simple question eg when going around the class answering on times tables) and brought up with the parents.

Parents initially very defensive but myself and other relatives, hopefully gently basically said we could understand why they were upset BUT the school was right. We'd tried raising it with them before to no avail and I certainly didn't treat them differently if I was watching dd and her cousins but I knew the likely response and "jollied" them out of it AFTER they calmed down so not a reward or placatory.

What's interesting is despite my being the "strict" one out of their parents' siblings they loved coming with me and even asked for me to be the sitter/minder when given a choice. I HOPE it's because I am also lots of fun and that my love for them is what they most feel from me.

How do the other dc respond to dh telling them off?

His nonsense that he treats them the same - I'd be sorely tempted to video him telling your dc off and telling his off so it'll be harder to deny the stark difference!

Interesting idea almost mooted by a pp - if he thinks how he "disciplines" his son then he "disciplines" the other dc in exactly the same way? I'm not suggesting you put this into practice but posit it as a suggestion to him and see how he responds, my guess is he'll try and say it's not good enough or stringent enough - well if it's good enough for dss...

In fact one of the main ways he seeks attention and validation is by demonstrating how good he is.

Again - see advice and research on the damage being the golden child does. Are there other dc in his mother's home too?

This kid is SCREAMING out for boundaries and to properly feel part of your family.

DSS has another sibling at his mum's house, also toddler age.

I'm also not qualified to even guess at potential SN but I do have some knowledge of child psychology in neurotypical children and while I'm not ruling out SN I think just plain poor parenting and dysfunction is likely the cause.

I think family therapy would be a good start actually.

Italiangreyhound · 13/11/2020 01:25

My son is 10 and would never do such a thing (as dropping a baby/toddler in this manner). He would know this was dangerous. He has also never kicked my husband in the gonads despite plenty of play fighting. And he is definitely no angel.

I don't suggest therapy lightly, I just think you need to consider that your step son needs some help beyond what you and your dh can offer.

"There is often situations with my older DS (11) where DSS will donk him on the head with something or other or trip him up, trying to be funny and playful, and obviously it isn't well received."

I'm really in two minds here, either he is a very clumsy child with little understanding of how his physical presence and behaviour could hurt another child or he is being malicious and trying to hurt others, or maybe there is a tiny bit of both.

Either way, it does sound like there are issues here which you and your dh may need some help for.

Just for the record my older child has special needs and my younger child is adopted and I have had lots of help with parenting and I think getting help is a good idea, when you need it, and nothing to be ashamed of. I think your dh may be part of the root of some of this and his own feelings (whatever they are) could be feeding into your dss behaving in an irresponsible way, but I do not know.

Good luck. Thanks

HallieKnight · 13/11/2020 01:28

The more you say the more I'm convinced he needs a Sen assessment. It's important to understand what's going on as there are some diagnosis that if you punish them like a normal child it will make them worse and can sometimes lead to them hurting themselves.

Please just write all of this down and anything else that seems not quite normal and try to convince his father to take it to your doctor.

Your dh may already know something is up but doesn't want to face the possibility of Sen and that's why he's been so avoidant.

TheNanny23 · 13/11/2020 02:02

Now I feel like I’m going to get a flaming but I think it’s really important to implement boundaries EVEN IF it’s turns out there’s something underlying.

Actions have consequences - even if you didn’t mean to hurt someone, if you did then that’s serious. They need time out, an explanation of why this is inappropriate and is over the mark, and then compassionate boundary setting and reminding of the love. This is being a good parent.

This applies even in adults with LD or MH problems- they may set fires because they are distressed- people don’t roll over and say that’s ok because they were upset! A loving, calm explanation of why this is really dangerous is helping them.

TheNanny23 · 13/11/2020 02:05

Also management of distressing emotions and tears in relationships- ok there’s a bump in the road but how do I fix this?

Not presenting yourself in tears and distress until you need soothing. You learn that everything will be ok, you calm yourself, you say sorry.

I’m not saying to shout at the kid but the apology needs to come before the cuddles and reassurance.

Iflyaway · 13/11/2020 02:06

DSS has another sibling at his mum's house, also toddler age.

Must be very confusing for him from going to being the only son in the original marriage to being "in the middle" of 2 families. Over the last 7 years. (Splitting up when he was 2). That's a lot to be dealing with below the age of 10.
I wonder how he gets on with his stepbrother at his mum's and if there are similar situations there.

You sound like a great stepmum by the way and yes, if your useless husband refuses to deal with it, you will have to. You owe it to your other kids or they will grow up with resentment that he gets "special treatment."

You also owe it to him to be able to cope with secondary school coming up in a few years or he will feel like he's been let loose in a jungle. (the peekaboo incident). I agree with previous posts that he should see a child psychologist.

Iflyaway · 13/11/2020 02:07

Oh, sorry, you said sibling, so could be a stepsister.

Italiangreyhound · 13/11/2020 02:12

Iflyaway It could be a step sibling but could also be a half sibling...

Turtletotem · 13/11/2020 02:17

I was in a similar situation to you and it caused so many problems, I spent years thinking it would change and it didn't. I truly wish I had ended the relationship a lot sooner. The child is now an adult and is still the most important and sensitive...
I hope you're able to move forward.

PeriPeriMenosauce · 13/11/2020 03:07

I'm a firm believer that the adult witnessing the incident needs to be the one who deals with the discipline. If you both witness and your DH jumps in with a "It's OK, don't cry" type of response, there is nothing that prevents you from approaching the matter in a calm manner at a later time.

A nine year old is capable of casting their mind back to their behaviour earlier that day or last night.

A calm discussion about what happened and why it was wrong and what consequence is fair for that type of behaviour. I even enforce the consequence later in the day or the next day. Every bad behaviour has a logical consequence and there's no getting around it.

He might even be able to better articulate his thoughts and actions once the dust has settled. If the crying begins, tell him you'll come back to discuss it again in 10 minutes once he's calm. Crying won't be getting him out of the discussion, just delaying it.

Also making him aware of consequences that will be immediately incurred should it happen again in future. There's no surprise, no shouting to be endured, just a quick reminder of the consequence and then making sure it's carried out.

I always have a debrief after the conseqeunce has been enforced and ask all the uncomfortable questions - what did you do, why was that wrong, what actually happened, what could have happened, what could you do differently next time? Always end a time of conflict/discipline with a cuddle and an expectation for the future.

The situation sounds tiring - hope you can discuss with your DH and get greater agreement/cooperation from him.

Winterwoollies · 13/11/2020 03:20

Ignore @ClaireP20 OP. Hmm

carolinasm · 13/11/2020 03:41

@Newmumatlast

I have always been of the view that in my house, if someone disrespects the rules, I am able to tell them so. It doesn't matter if it is my step child, my own child, niece or nephew, a child of a friend or an adult. You can do it in an appropriate way of course but I don't consider that overstepping
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GalaxyCookieCrumble · 13/11/2020 04:00

@CandyLeBonBon

He picked up and threw your daughter on her head on a wooden floor?

Did you take her to A&E?

I was just wondering how no one stopped him considering she was upside down?
GalaxyCookieCrumble · 13/11/2020 04:13

@randomer

No dents on the skull? Oh great carry on then.
Exactly, speaking to her GP in the morning does what exactly?

Sorry @MillyA you have a duty of care to get your DD looked at as soon as she banged her head, instead you come on here to roast your 9 year old step son for an incident that should and could of been prevented should you ok kept a better eye on them both, like you stated you do in a previous post.

makingmammaries · 13/11/2020 05:11

OP, I can imagine your frustration.

That said, why has a 9 year old been allowed to pick up a toddler? I never allowed my older kids to hold their siblings standing up, only sitting down, because you just don’t know what could happen. Could you have tried so hard to be nice to DSS that you have failed to give him boundaries?

Iwonder08 · 13/11/2020 05:29

OP, there is a general tendency to try and find SEN in a perfectly normal child to justify bad behaviour caused by bad parenting. Based on your posts your DSS learnt that switching on waterworks will get him out of trouble. You say his parents split up when he was 2,no doubt both his mum and dad were worried about the impact and avoided upsetting the child at all cost. As a result this 9yo still uses tears to avoid being reprimanded.
If your DH doesn't know how to discipline the child effectively and calmly then there are loads of books on this subject. However he needs to admit there is a problem with his inconsistent parenting, I. E. other children get told off, that not only damage them, but also will cause problems for the boy long term once he becomes a teenager

Porridgeoat · 13/11/2020 06:13

He’s impulsive and emotionally sensitive which are ADHD traits. Look up ADHD symptoms. It can be a bit confusing as there’s hyper focus and difficulty focusing in the same bag.

You really won’t get any child to toughen up your method though. You need to look into the psychology of resilience

Porridgeoat · 13/11/2020 06:16

Also being fair isn’t about treating all the kids the same.

To have had enough of step son crying to get out of being reprimanded
Ishbam · 13/11/2020 06:17

The child sounds very manipulative and in control, and he has his father right where he wants him.

RantyAnty · 13/11/2020 06:31

The problem is clearly a lack of setting boundaries and consequences. DSS seems to have been left to parent himself in a way meaning he just does whatever he wants.

Taking him out to the park is Disney Dad stuff. It isn't teaching him anything. Being left to video games isn't teaching him anything either.

From what you said, he seems to demand constant attention.
These accidents seem to have the same outcome in someone else being hurt and then all the attention and soothing goes to DSS.

I think a parenting class would be the first place to start and then maybe some family therapy.

Your DSS also needs to learn not to touch other people without their permission. Self-regulation, empathy, and boundaries need to be taught. This article has some good suggestions on how to handle situations before they happen by observing and then talking about what he would do. It also looking like a good way to encourage critical thinking and problem solving.

childmind.org/article/teaching-kids-boundaries-empathy/

Porridgeoat · 13/11/2020 06:36

Look forget being harsh to toughen him up and get him to behave through fear.

You need to help him think things through and connect the dots ... join up his behaviour with impact on others. Get him to reflect. Calmly sit and and ask him to explain what happened. Get as much detail as you can. Ask him how he felt, how your toddler felt, how you felt. If the behaviour could have resulted in potentially serious consequences talk him through this. Ask him what he would do differently next time? Ask him what he could do to make things better now. (Apologise, do something nice for his sibling).

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