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Am I the CF????

156 replies

Misskittyfantastico85 · 09/11/2020 22:38

I've just been accused by my MIL of being a CF (not in so many words)

Just as a bit of background, my in laws always live on the bread line, my MIL has never worked because she was always too busy raising children, they never used to have any spare cash and always used to buy secondhand where she could. Around five years ago, they inherited a large sum of money and it's been amazing watching them spend it. They were offered the chance to buy their council house and they could have bought it outright, but declined because then they would be left with no spare cash.

Myself and DH bought our house 15 years ago and PIL kept advising us against it in case something went wrong with the boiler or we needed a new kitchen or something.

Last year, my DH was diagnosed with cancer. He was always very very slim, but within the last few months due to all of the medications and a hernia, he has bloated and he has gone from a 32 waist to a 34 and now a 36. Hes never been fussed with clothes and has worn the same jeans and trousers for years. Today he mentioned that hes starting to feel uncomfortable and could do with some new trousers as he has none at all that fit him.

Someone in a local community Facebook group started a thread of 'what do you need that you cant afford' it was a long running thread where people were listing the things that they need and others within the community were offering these things if they were getting rid of. So I posted and asked if anyone was getting rid of some size 36 trousers.

Within a few minutes, MIL had obviously seen the post and phoned me to say she would buy him some trousers and that she couldnt believe I was scrounging from strangers on facebook. I explained that within a few weeks/months he may not need the bigger size as he will have come off the medication, but she said that I was being a CF asking for things that we could afford but dont want to. She said it's all about priorities. I was a bit put out that she said that because my priority is looking after DH and Dd and making sure we can afford the necessities. I understand clothing is essential, but new clothing isn't.

My DH agrees with me and was very grateful for 2 pairs of trousers from a neighbour.

So, am I being a CF for asking for something we need but cant afford, when we could actually afford it but choose to spend our money on essentials??

OP posts:
cbt944 · 10/11/2020 04:41

Someone got the joy of giving unwanted trousers to a good home, and your poor husband got the relief of a comfortable waist band! Ignore her. She's nuts and also contradicting herself.

Opinionator · 10/11/2020 04:49

@DickBastardly

You can’t afford one pair of jeans, even a cheap primark pair, without scrounging off Facebook?Hmm
Your username is certainly apt. Hmm
ThumbWitchesAbroad · 10/11/2020 05:16

I don't think there's anything wrong with what you did.

And I expect you'll pay it forward by passing them on to someone else who might need them when your DH is back to his normal size, so where's the harm?

Your MIL sounds as though she feels like you're washing your dirty laundry in public or something - bit old-fashioned.

anxiiousone · 10/11/2020 05:18

Your MIL will have burned through that money in no time by the sound of things!

I hope your DH makes a full recovery 🌺

Lollypop701 · 10/11/2020 05:30

It’s not scrounging. You asked if someone was getting rid of something you needed. No one will usually give something away they use/need. It’s a practical way to pass something on for someone else to use. Charity shops are not cheap anymore, which is taking the mick IMO. I can afford clothes but my group of friends pass stuff around. Stop being so judgmental!

Yummymummy2020 · 10/11/2020 05:42

I don’t think that’s cheeky at all, I would count the clothing as essential for you too and sure why buy new when you are right they might not fit for long! And if you don’t get long and they are still ok you can always offer them back up in the group again for another to use? It’s none of your mil”s business don’t mind her!

Graphista · 10/11/2020 05:58

Its a generational/cultural thing to a degree. My parents are of a very poor working class background and they wouldn't so much as buy a book from a charity shop because they would never BE in a charity shop, they view many things that are becoming or are normal for younger generations - free-cycle etc as "begging"

I don't agree, but I understand their perspective insofar as I know for them they would feel ashamed to buy or use something second hand excepting MAYBE furniture.

Because they're coming from an experience of their families could pretty much ONLY manage by "accepting charity" a lot of the time. They were clothed in donated and hand me down clothes and it was noticed and they were denigrated and bullied for it from childhood right up until my dad was doing well in the army - which wasn't as soon as he joined as contrary to popular opinion army pay is actually pretty shit until you get a few promotions.

By this point my youngest sibling was in school.

They wanted (as most parents do) to "do better" for their kids.

Your DH is STILL their "kid" and especially with him being so sick at the moment that may well be making your mil feel as if he needs protecting just like when he WAS still a child yet she may feel largely unable to do anything tangible helpful.

She may be hurt that neither you nor Dh asked her/them for this and may even feel she has "failed" him in some way in that as she sees it, he felt unable to bring himself to ask her.

If your dd was an adult, but sick, and needed something as a result of being sick that you could quickly and easily get for her, wouldn't you be hurt if instead of asking you she asked publicly for "charity"?

I know I would be if my dd did that.

We younger generations have a different feeling and perspective on such things, to a point.

It's far more commonplace now to ask for help (there are pros and cons to this) and the movement of consumables between people according to need is of course much better for the environment.

But maybe she just wanted the opportunity to show her son she cares? To have something she could actually DO for him at this difficult time? To feel they have a relationship where he feels comfortable asking his parents?

Just a perspective to consider I guess.

I've benefitted from such Facebook pages and I've donated happily too. They CAN be a great source of community spirit and it does mean less environmental impact in terms of perfectly good items not going to waste.

But it can be hard for folk to change their views of such things. That they accepted help themselves is sort of irrelevant, it sounds like their circumstances were such at the time they had little choice?

My parents accepted help when first married and before they had a decent income but they speak even now almost 50 years later of how ashamed it made them feel and that they had hoped their children would not need to do so.

Unfortunately shit happens and so all 3 of us have been in relatively dire straits at points - either financially or otherwise - and needed the kindness of strangers.

Which we were grateful for, but it's still horrible having to do it.

She could have handled things better, you and dh could have spoken with her before asking for the trousers...

You're ALL going through a lot at the moment. Try and give each other a break and be a little more understanding than usual? And yes I mean mil in that too

I'm so so sorry for all you're all going through it's really shit and stressful and expensive, I've been there with various relatives sadly. I don't think until you do you really understand the impacts of a long term illness like this.

Wishing your dh a full recovery and you all the strength and compassion to cope and hopefully soon some peace of mind Thanks

INeedNewShoes · 10/11/2020 06:11

‘Just go to Primark’ posters say.

There is no way that would be more morally correct than making use of a pair of trousers that someone else no longer needs, especially given that it’s only likely to be for a short time.

Ihaveyourback · 10/11/2020 06:13

I don't think you did anything wrong at all, and most people are happy to help especially given your dh's situation. You have enough to worry about without your MIL making a fuss.

However I can see why her pride might be offended, maybe she is embarrassed. I would ignore her, you have enough on your plate.

Ihaveyourback · 10/11/2020 06:13

I hope your dh makes a full recovery Flowers

MillieVanilla · 10/11/2020 06:17

@DickBastardly

You can’t afford one pair of jeans, even a cheap primark pair, without scrounging off Facebook?Hmm
What a horrible response Firstly Primark is shut in England until at least December 2nd and secondly, have you never heard of stuff like Freecycle? People buying cheap crap clothes they wear a handful of times is contributing to landfill sites.
Crimblecrumble1990 · 10/11/2020 06:24

I think second hand is great and Facebook
Is good for buying/selling/giving away.

However, I've seen those posts and they are specifically targeted at people In dire straits who really cannot afford items which I don't think you are in this case....

rwalker · 10/11/2020 06:37

She a CF for living in a council house with low rent when she could afford to buy her own

flaviaritt · 10/11/2020 06:44

I think a few people might be missing the point here, that the FB appeal was for people in need to come forward. It wasn’t people saying they had spare stuff and begging someone to take it.

MumbleJunction · 10/11/2020 06:59

Local swap groups are amazing I use them all the time. What a weird attitude. Dealing with cancer is a huge thing, people should be stepping up to help!

Cherrysoup · 10/11/2020 07:02

Where does she think you’re going to buy them given non essential clothing shops are closed? Ignore her, swapping and recycling is far preferable than buying new, IMO.

cbt944 · 10/11/2020 07:08

@flaviaritt

I think a few people might be missing the point here, that the FB appeal was for people in need to come forward. It wasn’t people saying they had spare stuff and begging someone to take it.
Actually, I think you might be missing the finer details, yourself.

Someone in a local community Facebook group started a thread of 'what do you need that you cant afford' it was a long running thread where people were listing the things that they need and others within the community were offering these things if they were getting rid of.

So I posted and asked if anyone was getting rid of some size 36 trousers.

Disfordarkchocolate · 10/11/2020 07:08

Not cheeky at all. And, you can 'play it forward' when he doesn't need them.

GreenlandTheMovie · 10/11/2020 07:09

I think you're all quite odd! Of course, it's mumsnet, where second hand free clothing and charity shops are fetishised to show off how frugal and unwasteful posters are. I know no-one in real life who wouldn't just buy a cheap pair of trousers in the supermarket (Sainsburys are quite good) or off ebay/amazon. I bought some second hand sports clothing off ebay and people found it really strange (not that I care). But mumsnet takes it to a whole new level. Adults asking for cast off trousers... It really is the most bizarre thing.

flaviaritt · 10/11/2020 07:11

Someone in a local community Facebook group started a thread of 'what do you need that you cant afford' it was a long running thread where people were listing the things that they need and others within the community were offering these things if they were getting rid of.

I didn’t actually miss it. But I think these threads are saying (nicely, so nobody feels stigma), post what you need and we will find someone who has it. Otherwise it would just be free cycle or the stuff would already have been charity shopped. They do specify ‘what you need that you can’t afford’, not ‘please someone take this toaster off my hands’.

motherrunner · 10/11/2020 07:17

I live very comfortably I still buy second hand and accept hand me downs, likewise I pass on things we no longer use. The planet is drowning in cast offs. We need to reuse more.

StrippedFridge · 10/11/2020 07:55

I can see why MIL was upset even though I disagree with her.

I expect MIL is of the generation where accepting charity was shameful. Plus she has been seen splashing the cash while you are on FB asking for trousers for her son who has cancer, then donated by a neighbour. She probably thinks the neighbours are talking about what a heartless CF she is to refuse to help out, which is unfair. Add in the stress of seeing her son changing shape with cancer and, well, I can see why she got emotional and lashed out at you.

I would recommend telling her you were being eco not asking for charity and talking to her / listening to her about how she might like to show her support for DH.

It must be awful to have the joy of the money and then the despair of your child getting cancer. Her head must be all over the place. A person can have too much time to think too when their caring duties are reduced as the nest empties and the older generation are gone. A granny stewing, worrying and blowing things out of proportion is not uncommon.

Sorry for what you are going through. Hope DH gets well. Flowers

GammyLeg · 10/11/2020 08:03

@GreenlandTheMovie

Mumsnet posters are real people - unless Russian bots are posting about towel washing frequency and MIL bust ups.

It is more likely that by reading MN you’re getting a wider perspective that you don’t find in your own circle.

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/11/2020 08:08

YANBU. If he only needs them for a short while you can pass them on to someone else.

BlueJava · 10/11/2020 08:10

I think that our parent's generation just don't understand about recycling, upcycling and free-cycling! Of course you aren't being a CF! I got a jigsaw off our local "free cycle" site the other days - I can easily afford one but why buy new all the time. The more we re-use and recycle everything the less environmental impact we have - which is why a lot of ppl do it. Best wishes for you DH's recovery!

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