Neighbour asked us not to do fireworks?

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I'm in a group chat with girls on our new build estate I've sent out a pre warning as hubby has gone and bought some. Everyone was fine and said they will be in there gardens to watch then one of the girls asked us not too as her dog has severe panic attacks.

don't know what to do? Kids have been looking forward to them.

aibu to go ahead and do them?

I too have a Border Collie who was desensitised to fireworks from a pup.

That was until last year when some fucker's stray firework shot through my conservatory window.

She is now currently cowering in the corner.

So many idiots with seemingly money literally to burn.

Did guy fawkes give a shit who was walking their dog by the Thames?

Selfish owner expecting loads of children to give up their bonfire night

🤪 Give up their bonfire night ! Fucking hell.🤣🤣

Music for anxious cats.

I don't mind them in the evening of 5th November. Easy to prepare for.

It is the loud ones that go off in the middle of the night for New Year and any random celebration people can think of that are the worst.

Is that a yes? You are jumpy, so you expect to be able to wander round minding your own business, and to have other people going for a run minding their own business pandering to your nervousness in the street by interrupting their exercise? But they are self-absorbed? Ha!
Sigh.
I just think it would be nice if people could be a little more considerate.

I wouldn’t run up behind people because it startles them.
It wouldn’t occur to me to just do it anyway because ‘people have lives’ and ‘I shouldn’t have to organise my life around others preferences’

Just like it wouldn’t occur to me to march past straight a frightened child on a path with my dog even if I was desperate for the loo and needed to get home and knew very well my dog is entirely safe.
I’d hold it and wait for the child to pass.

And just like it wouldn’t occur to me to let off fireworks despite me and my kids liking them and my dog not being particularly bothered.
Because I know they are extremely traumatising to lots of people and animals.

It’s just being a considerate person and not a dick FFS.

It’s just being a considerate person and not a dick FFS.

No, it’s not. It’s having to constantly curtail your exercise and not know how fast you can complete a distance, because Jumpy McJumpyson ahead of you is too away with the fairies to actually look round behind her, if she is that concerned. You are being ridiculous if you expect people to put you before their goals and enjoyment all the time, constantly and reliably. You are going to live a frustrated life, I expect.

Absolutely agree MrsJungelow

I smile politely when I’m jumped on and licked. Why? You’d be perfectly entitled to tell the owner to control their dog. 😐

flaviaritt Complete rubbish to behave considerately to others and to expect considerate behaviour from them? Ok. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Complete rubbish to behave considerately to others and to expect considerate behaviour from them? Ok. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Complete rubbish to expect people (even total strangers) to constantly reprioritise and compromise on what is important to them because of what is important to you, yes. These are legal and reasonable behaviours we are discussing. We are not all always going to agree about what counts as ‘inconsiderate’.

If one is going for a serious run where distances and times need to be properly recorded, it would be sensible to do so on a running track or an empty field. That’s what my running friends do. If not, then you can probably reasonably expect your run to be occasionally delayed or interrupted by pedestrians/dogs/pensioners/children/traffic etc

Fireworks traumatise domestic pets, livestock and wildlife, if you're happy with that crack on.

If not, then you can probably reasonably expect your run to be occasionally delayed or interrupted by pedestrians/dogs/pensioners/children/traffic etc

Reasonably, yes. I am not suggesting it is fine to run into people.

@Wearywithteens

Just tell them ‘you’re only being friendly...’

I thought the whole thread was a discussion about reasonable and considerate behaviour.

Everyone knows it’s legal to jog behind people and let fireworks off in gardens. This discussion is about being a decent, considerate human and thinking outside of your own bubble.

Yeah this. Fucking hell the dogs and dog shit EVERYWHERE. And now we have to live our lives based around what peoples bloody dogs want? Ha no thanks.

Hardly the dogs fault some owners don't pick up shit or control them properly. Yes punish the defenseless animal for something humans have the control over. Brilliant example of dickish attitudes.

No, it’s not. It’s having to constantly curtail your exercise and not know how fast you can complete a distance, because Jumpy McJumpyson ahead of you is too away with the fairies to actually look round behind her, if she is that concerned
Lovely.
You know a lot of those ‘jumpy’ people are jumpy for a reason.
Like being mugged or raped or having anxiety or other mental health problems.

You are being ridiculous if you expect people to put you before their goals and enjoyment all the time, constantly and reliably
If selfish, self absorbed people wish to take that view that’s up to them.
I’d feel guilty myself pissing all over people’s anxieties and thinking only of myself and my own wants and desires but I guess we are all different.

You are going to live a frustrated life, I expect
You know I don’t.
I accept that most people are selfish asshats and keep to my limited social circle and try my best to be considerate to other people’s needs.

The neighbour should reasonably assume - it being 5th November and all - that there will be fireworks. If she hasn't taken the precautions to safeguard her pet then that's her fault

I agree. But it's not just 5th November. It goes on for days/weeks. And then we have it all over again on 1st Jan. And, no doubt, 31st Jan too for bloody Brexit celebration day.

They need to be banned for personal use. Sparklers are ok.

• Lovely. You know a lot of those ‘jumpy’ people are jumpy for a reason. Like being mugged or raped or having anxiety or other mental health problems.*

I understand that. I still think people have the right to run on public roads. If someone is particularly frightened, they can maintain more awareness of what is happening around them, as I do, rather than expect others to inconvenience themselves.

Everyone knows it’s legal to jog behind people and let fireworks off in gardens. This discussion is about being a decent, considerate human and thinking outside of your own bubble.

But what does that actually mean?
Never doing anything you think someone else might prefer you not to do? That’s bonkers, isn’t it?

I want the bang banned from fireworks like Australia. Both my dogs are panicking now so I am trying to reassure them but they simply are frightened. A poor pup died last year due to fear of the bangs and it is virtually impossible to treat. Pet horses, cats and rabbits suffer too!!!

There are some really weird people on this thread.

But what does that actually mean?

For me: avoiding deliberately doing things that might fairly obviously cause distress or fright to others.

I searched and found there is a petition going here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/319891

We have been celebrating Bonfire night for decades - centuries probably ( since 1600 and something). It’s a big part of our culture. When you buy a pet in this country you know that this evening exists. We’re not giving it up because someone’s dog doesn’t like it. Crack on - be a dog owner I’m very happy for you but your dog does not dictate what the rest of the country should do. ( I mean how in gods name do animals cope in countries where they’re always letting off fireworks?). Hope you had fun and everyone remained safe.

I understand that. I still think people have the right to run on public roads. If someone is particularly frightened, they can maintain more awareness of what is happening around them, as I do, rather than expect others to inconvenience themselves
I never said they shouldn’t run on public roads.
Just that they should run right up behind people because it startles them.

I’m not sure you do understand at all.
I get extremely anxious if people pop up behind me.
I have GAD, I am medicated, had therapy and I pretty much only leave my house because my kids need taking to school and DH can’t do it due to them being in different schools.

But according to you I am ‘Jumpy McJumpyson’ and I am simply ‘away with the fairies’ and I just need to ‘maintain more awareness of what is happening around me’
It’s just such a selfish viewpoint.
Sorry but it is.

And so in keeping with the rest of this thread.

I want to enjoy my run/keep track of my time/beat my time so I don’t care about anyone else

No different to

I enjoy fireworks so I’m going to have them and don’t care about anyone else.

For those who suggested the lady take her dog out, how do you think that's going to help? There are no organised displays this year, meaning everyone who wants fireworks will be doing them privately. So rather than them being confined to 20 mins, they're going off incessantly (or they are here, at least). Taking the dog out would just make the fireworks louder, as the animal would be outside rather than in. It's literally the worst thing that could be done.

FWIW, I am 100% against home fireworks. I believe that it should be organised displays only, with sparklers at home if you must, and all displays must be confined to one day.

But the fact is that they are legal, and your fireworks aren't going to have made much difference considering the number being let off.

Something needs to be done about this, but the only people who would miss out would be your children.

I'd assume my opinion is too late anyway, but never mind.