so we are now arresting people NOW Shocking

[Meadow1203]

I thought this was wind up but sadly it is true. A 73 year old retired nurse has been arrested and put in handcuffs because she took her own mother out of a care home. She has not had proper contact for 9 months and her poor 97 year old mum was ailing, she wanted to bring her home to care for her. Wow just wow how have we come to this.

Ridiculous thread, stop scaremongering.

She was arrested for assaulting a care worker as she absolutely should have been.

@Meadow1203

Curious you clearly have never been in a position trying to deal with the authorities in cases like this. I have and it was a bloody nightmare. in this case they have been trying get power of attorney and failing miserably because the system is a nigh on impossible. They have run out of time the lady is 97

You can't get Power Of Attorney once a person is not of sound mind. That is there to safeguard the person with dementia.

They would need to be Deputies in the Court of Protection.

Neither they, nor you, seem to understand any of this.

Miss Ashton said her family had 'tried to go through all the official channels' by writing to MPs and Public Health England but nothing had been done

She claimed that, after her grandmother was admitted to hospital during the first lockdown, relatives requested that she did not go back to the care home but she was neverthless discharged back to the home

She did try and go through the ‘proper channels’

This elderly woman is a human being, she would have not wanted to spend the last part of her life in rapid decline separated from a family that love her very much. She probably won’t last the winter. She should be with her family.

moon I am not imagining anything, this is what they have said.

@Meadow1203

Sirzy I am talking about this case. some people don't give a shit about their relatives. But when it comes to people being hand cuffed and arrested for wanting to see their own mother then it is a very sad world we live in

So you think turning up dragging her out of her home with no long term provision for her care and safety put in place is putting her best interests first?

@Motherofthreequeens

Miss Ashton said her family had 'tried to go through all the official channels' by writing to MPs and Public Health England but nothing had been done

She claimed that, after her grandmother was admitted to hospital during the first lockdown, relatives requested that she did not go back to the care home but she was neverthless discharged back to the home

She did try and go through the ‘proper channels’

This elderly woman is a human being, she would have not wanted to spend the last part of her life in rapid decline separated from a family that love her very much. She probably won’t last the winter. She should be with her family.

Neither of those are the 'proper channels'. First ports of call would be GP, psychiatrist, and Older Persons Mental Health carers.

Thank you mother someone with some sense. I can't believe what people are writing and thinking. Horrid selfish human beings.

I think the lady's family know what is best for her

What knowledge of the family, the lady in question, and any other circumstances of this case do you have (beyond a DM article) in order to be so sure that her family know what's best for her?

showing ha ha good luck with that

I don't think it was very wise for the care worker to be close enough to a person who is living in the community doing things as normal as any of us can do. The care worker did not observe distancing.

Huh? They were fully distanced initially. That only stopped when the ex nurse broke in and assaulted the care worker.

@Meadow1203

Thank you mother someone with some sense. I can't believe what people are writing and thinking. Horrid selfish human beings.

So why was there not a Care Plan in place, with the daughter named as the ongoing caregiver? Why had Occupational Health not assessed the daughter's home so it would fulfil the mother's needs?

The granddaughter has stated that they had tried other avenues, including contacting their MP and also PHE.
They'd also apparently offered to volunteer to work in the care home, as care assistants or kitchen staff, so they could see their relative.

The adult care system is dire, it's chronically underfunded and bloated with inefficient staff. Not the hard-working care assistants at the coal face, but the army of people who are more concerned with their paperwork and clipboards than they are the people sitting right in front of them.

@Meadow1203

showing ha ha good luck with that

I don't need luck. I have experience of getting the right care for relations with dementia.

@Meadow1203, as said she wasn't arrested for trying to see her Mother. Do you want anyone to be able to walk into care homes at the moment? Do you think that Care Home Assistants should be subject to being shoved out of the way? The most vulnerable in our society is in those homes. The workers followed procedure.

@Meadow1203

I think the lady's family know what is best for her, This would not have happened if our stupid government had not made such ridiculous decisions. Please stop being so dramatic re the "assault" Carer had not right to stop her. Many of these people have a very little time left why not let them see their families. My dad no doubt will think we don't care about him. Is this how we should treat our dear old people. Shame on anyone who thinks this is ok

@Meadow1203

1. They evidently thought a care home was best for her otherwise she wouldn't have been there.

1. The rules have made it very difficult for care home patients and their families, but what happened here was only on the mum and daughter. They chose to barge in and not follow any protocol or assessment to remove the grandmother. They were not doing her any good by the means they chose to remove her.

1. The carer had a perfect right to stop her, especially if she thought the patient under her care was going to be frightened. Carers have a duty of care and could lose their job if they didn't safeguard their patients. Dont victim blame, they have a right to work without fear of assault by family members. Even just a 'gentle push'.

1. I'm sorry about your dad, but you are evidently massively projecting. 'Poor old people' isn't a good enough reason to barge into their safe place, confuse them and put them at possible risk just because their families want to see them more often.

I hope the elderly woman in this case gets the appropriate full time care she needs, but I think the family will now find it extra difficult - social services will have to do an assessment from scratch and may not have resources since lockdown has resumed. She may be extra confused after being torn from her home and routine. I think in terms of her longterm care, this was a pretty stupid, and actually quite selfish, thing to do unless the family had genuine concerns she wasn't receiving adequate care in her home.

@Oaktree55

I think this story has been completely twisted. From what I understand and was certainly the case with a relative of ours with dementia in a care home, they are sectioned under Mental Health Act. We certainly wouldn’t have been able to march in one day and remove them. This was way before Covid too. There are legal abs medical requirements and processes in place.

It's actually relatively uncommon for someone in a care home to be sectioned. If they were, they are more likely to be in a mental hospital. My mother has dementia and is in a care home without either a section of a DOLS arrangement, because we all agree that is the best place for her. She certainly couldn't care for herself, and we can't provide the care she needs either.

Yes, I absolutely hate it that I haven't seen her in person for six months. However, the care home has kept us fully in touch and I have been able to see and talk to her through Zoom, and I suspect that facility was also in place for this family. More pertinently, I accept that the care home has no choice but to put very strict infection control arrangements in place because it has responsibility for a number of extremely vulnerable people, and I'm grateful that they're going to so much trouble to protect my mother.

She had no right to put her hands on someone trying to do their job.

.....and was promptly de-arrested when the lady was returned to the home that has legal responsibility for her.

@Shuddawuddacudda

FFS! The granddaughter says it herself! I must be watching a different video then, because I see no evidence or statement from anyone that the daughter assaulted anyone.

Not in the video, that was obviously AFTER they had removed the woman! They didn't video themselves inside the care home, or maybe it will transpire that they did!!

But in a few of the written pieces, the DM one included, she tells how it was a spur of the moment decision, I've quoted her as written! That she is now saying differently on Facebook doesn't take away from what she said earlier, it just muddies waters!

However it turns out, whatver they did or did not do beforehand, , on that day they acted illegally, and didn't have the means with which to ensure the older womans safety!

OP why do you seem to think that anyone that disagrees either has not had the same life experiences as you, or is an awful person who doesn't care about the elderly. What over emotive nonsense.

There are ways and means of going about what was trying to be achieved and ultimately I cannot think what came to pass did the poor grandmother any favours whatsoever, and indeed caused everyone involved unnecessary stress. We all surely at a minimum suspected a second lockdown was coming, and roughly when. There has been a fair few months available to be putting plans into place.

The fact she is a nurse or relation does not qualify her to do what she did, or to assess the situation herself (presumably in a panic after hearing about lockdown v2) and crack on. These are emotive times, I am pleased to hear she wasn't charged as a result but It's not your place OP, to decide what anyones opinion on a matter none of us have intimate details of, or explanations of, to means about them as a person.

@GuillermoVanHelsing

She had no right to put her hands on someone trying to do their job.

I’d push some one out of the way too if they were blocking me from leaving with my mother. Maybe the career should have just got out of the way then phoned the police instead of trying to be being a jailer. No where in their policies will it say that they have to be a human wall. I would imagine the career will have to some some training tbh..

Well I wouldn't because I'm not a thug.

@Shuddawuddacudda

Shoving someone out of the way while they were probably restraining her movement should not be considered assault. I've been beaten black and blue and found it hard to get that to be considered assault - why? because it was a domestic assault. A bit precious to make an allegation of assault against a woman merely trying to get past the care worker.

Really? If you were simply doing your job, would you be happy to be shoved out of the way suddenly without any warning? It must have been quite a shove to allow the daughter time to get to her mother, grab the wheelchair and wheel her out.

And your use of the word "probably" is fascinating. Why would the care worker have been restraining the movement of a lady with dementia sitting in a wheelchair who was happily chatting to her relatives? Her function was simply to help, I suspect the worst she did was to get up instinctively when the daughter suddenly decided to break into the home to help to protect the mother.

I’d push some one out of the way too if they were blocking me from leaving with my mother. I'd like to assume that you'd never be in the same position as they were, as you would have dealt with the whole situation in a much more grown up manner!

Taking the granddaughter's story at face value, her mother pushed through a door, into a sealed off covid safe area, and then pushed the care worker before taking her mother.

They weren't in the same room as each other!

Your relative is not your property. They are a vulnerable person who needs protecting through due process. You can't just body snatch people even if they're your parent.