so we are now arresting people NOW Shocking

[Meadow1203]

I thought this was wind up but sadly it is true. A 73 year old retired nurse has been arrested and put in handcuffs because she took her own mother out of a care home. She has not had proper contact for 9 months and her poor 97 year old mum was ailing, she wanted to bring her home to care for her. Wow just wow how have we come to this.

Can I please ask everyone who wants to post on this to watch the interview with these people on Talk Radio it will answer all questions. Crimson watch the video.

'Can I please ask everyone who wants to post on this to watch the interview with these people on Talk Radio it will answer all questions'

The family or the care home?

Well the more interviews with the family I watch the more I become convinced they are just attention seekers trying to make a point rather than doing what’s in their relatives best interests

@Motherofthreequeens I suggest you look up the definition of whim not whimsical.

She had no plan. She went for a window visit and decided then and there to take her mum. With no legal powers,woth no care plans,with no info on meds or anything.

@Sirzy

Well the more interviews with the family I watch the more I become convinced they are just attention seekers trying to make a point rather than doing what’s in their relatives best interests

Yeah course you do..

I said up thread about my friend who is in the same position. It’s a hideous situation. There is evidence that that dementia sufferers are having rapid decline because of this isolation - and it’s not acceptable.

What I find awful is the posters trying to pull this family apart.

Some people might be happy to see their relatives wither others are not. It might be legally correct but morally it’s not. It’s bloody awful.

People video and record things then post it to highlight and draw attention to what’s happening. These two women were certainly not looking for there 30secs of fame. The fact that posters are sneering about these women says more about the poster tbh.

There must be more to this story as you cannot just walk in to a care home. Most only have access via an electronically controlled door, so apart from needing a fob to open the door which only staff have how did she get in the building?
It also does not explain how she got far enough in to the building to locate her mother, whether she was in the lounge or her own room and get past all the staff.

crimsonlake they did an interview yesterday and said they were talking to her through the window. They had brought a bunch of flowers and when the member of staff opened the door to get them they pushed their way in. Said she was in a lobby / hallway.

Sirsy your views are appalling. I hope you never find yourself in this situation

Getoff for fuck sake this is not about the feeling of the care home. Watch the video

My views are shocking because I am thinking of what is in the best interest of an elderly woman?

As has been said if the family felt they could care for her they should have took the correct routes to get care plans in place. Taking someone who needs such a high level of care out of their safe space with no plan isn’t in anyone’s best interest.

What is best for this woman is to see and be with her family right now before she dies . End of. Watch the video and then come back

Call me daft but I find the views of someone who simultaneously denies much of the reality of Covid whilst being a mask refuser and a fan of the GBD and other conspiracy theories far more appalling than the safeguarding of vulnerable adults.

(That's not the woman having her moment of fame btw, though from what I've read in the less sensationalist press, she'd no doubt fit into the Venn )

My Mum has Parkinsons, she isn’t in a care home at the moment but has been for short periods after operations etc. My charming brother has a bee in his bonnet about how much this will affect his inheritance, especially when/if her house is sold to provide more long term care
What if he turned up at a care home she was in and removed her before taking her home with him and dumping her on his long suffering wife?
Luckily that will never happen because I have POA for both health and finances plus there are safeguards in place to stop people just removing people from care without proper assessments being done
Also my sdad has 2 daughters, one completely estranged. Again he has given me POA as he is concerned about what they might do if they see their inheritance disappearing in care home fees
I am not accusing the family in this case of anything and I hope they genuinely acted out of love but in a lot of cases families have motives other than the welfare of the family member in care. If this lady didn’t know where she was who was actually benefiting from removing her?

Perhaps, giving the benefit of the doubt to the family, they just acted on the spur of the moment. If there was any thought put into it at all, how were they going to manage bathing, toiletting, medication, specialist equipment such as hoists, beds, toilet seats etc. The grandmother looks incredibly frail - did they have a room set up on a ground floor, a bathroom on a ground floor?

Dealing with frail elderly people with dementia is incredibly hard - I guess the lady was in a home in the first place because the family couldn't/wouldn't do it.

I could imagine my self doing this with my grandmother. I’ve just spoken to her about it actually.

Last October she had pneumonia and the hospital wanted to release her to a care home but we fought it. She was adamant she didn’t want to go.

I honestly think she’d be dead now if she’d have gone. Lock down really took it out of her and she was back to good health by then.

We’ve still got to treat these elderly people with dignity. They are not in jail and they should not be rapidly declining in such a manner. This is what is causing the alarm. It shouldn’t be taken for granted or ‘to be expected’ it’s not.

I can see how these two were so emotionally charged they wanted her home so they could look after her and she’d be with people that genuinely cared for her. Why should we let these elderly men and women die with out their families if there families are willing and capable of looking after them.

The state shouldn’t own anybody but it’s proving that actually they do. No wonder so many people tell their kids never to put them in a care home.

I hope the government hurry up and allow close family to have care worker status to be around their loved ones in this time.

And I agree - just because they maybe losing mental capacity they are not dead yet. They still are able to feel emotion and remember things.

I’m glad they posted the video it really needs highlighting.

You have to ask why the care home had Power of Attorney. Since they did, their patient can’t just be grabbed and removed. If the family were so concerned why didn’t they care for her at home all along?

It certainly shows a missing link in the chain doesn't it?
That according to the granddaughter (ex Coronation Street actress etc) the family have been trying since the beginning of lockdown to have the lady removed. Writing to their MP, ministers, social services and PHE.
What a shame their concerns don't seem to have been addressed during the nine months they didn't visit the home.

"My charming brother has a bee in his bonnet about how much this will affect his inheritance"

Yes, people need to get out of the mindset that they are losing their inheritance.

They are not!

The person in the care home is spending their own money!

My parent is in a care home (dementia) & whilst I don't really get whilst they aren't entitled to continuing health care as they are ill, I also don't think it would be right for others to pick up the cost of their fees whilst they have a house that they can no longer use.

There's no inheritance until someone has died-and sometimes thee isn't even then!

Too right Diddl. My mum self funded until she died and I don't begrudge one penny. It was hers, not mine.

@Charlieiscool

You have to ask why the care home had Power of Attorney. Since they did, their patient can’t just be grabbed and removed. If the family were so concerned why didn’t they care for her at home all along?

I have POA for my parent who is in a care home.

I wouldn't think that that meant I could just have the hospital discharge them to me or that I could just take them from the home.

They are in the care home because I cannot care for them!

Wouldn't I have to show that that had changed & I now could?

Theseeds or shall I call you dafty as it would be a better name. Now if I was a conspiracy theorist I would be thinking that this Government is deliberately trying to cull old people to free up the NHS. ummmm
Byallmeans as beautiful post

I think you'd partly be right Meadow. They certainly didn't do a great deal to protect them, did they? Nothing conspiracy theory about that. Releasing hundreds if not thousands out into carehomes? That was fact not conspiracy.

*diddl that would make sense I think.

@Meadow1203

Theseeds or shall I call you dafty as it would be a better name. Now if I was a conspiracy theorist I would be thinking that this Government is deliberately trying to cull old people to free up the NHS. ummmm Byallmeans as beautiful post

"If" you were a conspiracy theorist...

Show what point are you trying to make