so we are now arresting people NOW Shocking

[Meadow1203]

I thought this was wind up but sadly it is true. A 73 year old retired nurse has been arrested and put in handcuffs because she took her own mother out of a care home. She has not had proper contact for 9 months and her poor 97 year old mum was ailing, she wanted to bring her home to care for her. Wow just wow how have we come to this.

Woman assaults another person who tried to stop her doing something she shouldn't have been doing.

MN is great though. On every other thread about Covid the same people pompomming for this woman are campaigning to have the over 65s locked up "so the rest of us can get on with our lives" Yet suddenly, this 73 year old is a poster girl.

@TheSeedsOfADream

Woman assaults another person who tried to stop her doing something she shouldn't have been doing.

MN is great though. On every other thread about Covid the same people pompomming for this woman are campaigning to have the over 65s locked up "so the rest of us can get on with our lives" Yet suddenly, this 73 year old is a poster girl.

Please link me to a thread where posters has called for elderly people to be denied contact with family in care homes?

Does care home now = giving up contact with family?

Er, I can't do that because I haven't seen any and nor have I said that I have.

But I'll answer your last question. My mother's carehome allowed SD visits throughout and has always organized telephone/Skype/Zoom calls.

@TheSeedsOfADream

Er, I can't do that because I haven't seen any and nor have I said that I have.

But I'll answer your last question. My mother's carehome allowed SD visits throughout and has always organized telephone/Skype/Zoom calls.

Well that’s lucky for you all.

Unfortunately not all LA allowed visits. Where you not aware? The only time time in this case, the daughter and granddaughter were only allowed to visit when the elderly lady was admitted in to hospital with pneumonia. They asked then also at that point could she be released to their own home.

Were**

You seem to be putting words into my mouth and reading opinions in my posts that aren't there.
You asked me to provide proof for something I haven't mentioned, and now, despite me telling you (in answer to your question) about the visiting situation in my mother's home, are asking me what I know about other local authorities and carehomes.

All of which, apart from being odd, rather detracts from what the thread is about.

And you can also fuck off with your "aren't you lucky" comment.
My mother died in June and I had to watch her funeral on a webcast. So no, not feeling particularly lucky.

Unfortunately not all LA allowed visits. Where you not aware? The only time time in this case, the daughter and granddaughter were only allowed to visit when the elderly lady was admitted in to hospital with pneumonia. They asked then also at that point could she be released to their own home.

This care home also allowed skype/zoom calls.
And window visits. That's what they were there for,a window visit. Then the daughter barged in for a hug and decided on a whim to take her mother home.

They may have asked but the lady was released to the care home as it was legally right to do. They knew then they didn't have POA for welfare .

@ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble

Unfortunately not all LA allowed visits. Where you not aware? The only time time in this case, the daughter and granddaughter were only allowed to visit when the elderly lady was admitted in to hospital with pneumonia. They asked then also at that point could she be released to their own home.

This care home also allowed skype/zoom calls.
And window visits. That's what they were there for,a window visit. Then the daughter barged in for a hug and decided on a whim to take her mother home.

They may have asked but the lady was released to the care home as it was legally right to do. They knew then they didn't have POA for welfare .

I do t think there was any thing ‘whimsical’ or playfully in it.

She was concerned about her mothers welfare and rightly so.

@ancientgran

She's declining because she is 97 and has dementia.

She’s declining faster than she need because she’s not seeing her family. My mum had dementia and died when she was 97. I visited her every day and one of my most comforting memories is her face lighting up when she saw me. She declined very little in her last six months.

Concern for welfare doesn’t involve forcing in and dragging someone out of their home.

Their actions but her and everyone else in there at risk

Watched the interview in Motherofthreequeens link, they didn't even know when she went in the home. The lady who got arrested thought her mother went in the home in March, 8 months ago, then said she saw her mother day after than when she was in hospital, so how can they say they haven't seen her for 9 months? The granddaughter thought her GM had been in the home for over a year.

How caring they must be. They need to get their story straight if they want us to believe them. I have an elderly relative in a home, not my mother or grandmother as they died long ago, but I can tell you exactly when she went into the home and it is alot longer than 9 months ago or a year ago.

The thing that would be interesting to know, but is obviously confidential, is why the hospital wouldn't release the elderly woman to her family.

By far the easiest and least complicated thing for a hospital, local authority and social care team can do is to release people back to their families or their own home. But they don’t do this because more often than not that environment will not meet the health and social care needs of the patient.

The only policy that exists, and it has since the 80’s, is to keep people at home or as close to home as possible. But that isn’t always possible or safe. And POA doesn’t provide carte Blanche to treat someone like a chattel.

@Motherofthreequeens

They did have power of attorney over her but wasn’t aware they needed a separate one for welfare.

And tbh not many people do.

When you look into power of attorney it’s the first thing you are told or will find out.

She will have a DOLS in place and a best interest decision made by social services.

You can't just take her out of the home. She's got dementia, she might not recognise her family.

If they wanted to care for her at home why weren't they already doing so? They may possibly have been able to do so if they had gone the right channels. However they had no POA for welfare, they can't just make decisions for her.

They were totally in the wrong!

@Meadow1203

If a care worker tried to stop me taking mu dad out of his home if I wanted to take him I would have shoved her too. The woman is retired nurse and can take care of her needs. Really please don not try and justify this

It is fully justified. No one should ever be subjected to assault for doing their job.

The care home have a duty of care. You can't just rock up and remove people. What if another family member had arrived later and the care home said 'we don't know where she is, someone arrived earlier and took her away'. How do they know the daughter has full rights to decide what happens to her mum? She might be mentally unwell, she might have siblings who all agree the best thing is for their mum to stay in the home.

Yes it is an emotionally charged situation, but the woman was idiotic to rock up and try to forcefully remove a patient that the home has legal responsibility for. She should have gone through the proper channels and she deserved to be arrested for assaulting someone just trying to do their job.

I listened to the elderly woman’s daughter talking on the radio yesterday. She was complimentary of the police despite being handcuffed and spoke about how they got her mother a cake and cup of tea and the officer in the car with her sympathised with her situation as he was in a similar situation with his mother. If anything I got the impression that the most distressing aspect was her daughters (the granddaughter) reaction.

Ultimately the care home and police have a duty of care. If the family want to take her home then they need to do it properly and with the reassurance that they’re able to meet her needs. These are safeguards that have been put in place precisely because people have suffered in the past.

Basically my feeling is the granddaughter has turned this into a circus and that’s distressing her mother when her energy would be better spent going through the proper channels to get her great grandmother home to her mums house.

*Not great grandmother - grandmother

Certainly make me realise it is best to keep as far away from the state as you can - social workers, hospitals, care home, the more you can manage your own life the better.

@Xenia

Certainly make me realise it is best to keep as far away from the state as you can - social workers, hospitals, care home, the more you can manage your own life the better.

Oh Xenia never were truer words spoken

@Xenia

Certainly make me realise it is best to keep as far away from the state as you can - social workers, hospitals, care home, the more you can manage your own life the better.

Blimey, this is an historic moment. For the first time ever I agree with you Xenia!

Try your hardest not to get a degenerative disease then. Or have a family member get sick.

I am sad to see that yet again people turn this into a slur on carers. That was not my original post. In my experience there good carers and bad carers. The majority are kind and compassionate but over worked and under paid for the tough job they do. However I have witnessed my dad being manhandled ( when they did realise I was present)
Moving on this was a post to highlight that the Government has locked up old frail people and denied contact with their loved ones. I for one have not been able to visit dad since March. This lady had tried everything, jumping through hoops to see her ailing mum, even offering to volunteer to work in the home with all the kit in place to be able to see her mum. This in my opinion is an appalling state of affairs. Who would have believed in this day and age that we would be banned from seeing their own family. People with Dementia need their own families.

'She's declining because she is 97 and has dementia.'

Yes you're right, she may well be declining at 97 and that is of course to be expected.

It is quite shocking that her family would remove her so abruptly from an environment that she is familiar with. Totally selfish behaviour.

'Certainly make me realise it is best to keep as far away from the state as you can - social workers, hospitals, care home, the more you can manage your own life the better.'

Yes but that goes for everything. Manage your own money! don't use banks as they have policies and procedures in place to prevent fraud etc.

The family should be pleased and reassured that they put the welfare of their resident first.

There must be more to this story as you cannot just walk in to a care home. Most only have access via an electronically controlled door, so apart from needing a fob to open the door which only staff have how did she get in the building?
It also does not explain how she got far enough in to the building to locate her mother, whether she was in the lounge or her own room and get past all the staff.