so we are now arresting people NOW Shocking

[Meadow1203]

I thought this was wind up but sadly it is true. A 73 year old retired nurse has been arrested and put in handcuffs because she took her own mother out of a care home. She has not had proper contact for 9 months and her poor 97 year old mum was ailing, she wanted to bring her home to care for her. Wow just wow how have we come to this.

*makingmammaries:

Those speaking of the “proper channels” - none of those channels are agile enough to assess families and get old people out of the homes fast enough to avoid this second wave, which will enter the institutional homes via the carers and kill thousands of old people.

Actually, they are. The Court of Protection regularly deals with extremely urgent cases and is set up to be able to consider them within hours, if necessary. Witness the cases it regularly deals with where hospitals and homes have to apply for leave to give specific treatments or to withdraw treatment.

This family has had at least six months to apply for deputyship but there is no suggestion that they have even begun the process.

Procedures such as? When carers are living with school age children, the risk is massive.

Procedures such as carers moving out of their own homes and into the care homes to avoid precisely that risk.

Boring stuff like applying to the proper channels, such as becoming a Deputy to the Court Of Protection, aren't exciting and dramatic and don't get your face in the papers

@Motherofthreequeens

It’s dreadful. My friend is going through something similar. The deterioration is shocking. My friend has asked if she can put a camera in the room so she can see her mum ( after a few issues) and they have refused.

Tbh what is happening to elderly folk in care homes now is a national disgrace. It makes me so angry to think about it. Care workers can go in and out, go shopping, see their families and then go back to work. Families can not even go in in full PPE to see their parents.

It’s appalling that some people keep bleeting on about the rules when it’s not you stuck in there!

What a load of nonsense. Of course you can't have a camera in the room it's a huge safeguarding issue.

You are also aware that staff have very strict guidelines around PPE, so they don't just wander in and out without a care in the world.

These people leave their families through day and night, birthdays, Christmas, put themselves at risk for the bare minimum of wages, to care for people who are vulnerable and can't be cared for at home because of their health and at times behavioural needs.

They deserve respect, not idiots coming in assaulting their staff, distressing their residents and patients and sharing on the media to improve their profile because they were on TV years ago and everyone's forgotten them.

Anyone who thinks it's OK to behave like this is an idiot.

[quote Unsure33]@MoonJelly

Then perhaps they felt the family could not provide the care or equipment she needed?

It’s not that simple.[/quote]
Did you mean to address that to me, @Unsure33? I've made it pretty clear that I think the daughter and granddaughter were badly in the wrong, I've nowhere suggested that the family could care for this lady - rather the reverse.

It has been established by independent investigation that, by depriving their child of chemotherapy at the optimum time, the parents substantially reduced his chances of recovery.

Portsmouth Safeguarding Children Board = independent?

Scary indeed how credulous people are.

When did careers or teachers have the right to block access to family members. I’m not talking about randomers/criminals/ or people that are suspected of abuse - I’m talking about genuine loving family.

When they take on the duty of protecting and caring for those family members. When they also have a duty to protect several other residents from the danger of infection. When they have a duty to stop people from pushing their way into the home without permission.

A genuine loving family would go through the proper channels and would not randomly push in and take their relative without any sort of preparation let alone precautions against passing on potential Covid infection.

I also find it rather ironic that the OP accuses other posters of being dramatic when the only posts I'd describe as such on this thread, belong to her. As is the thread title itself.
Did you go to the same drama school as the grand daughter OP? (light hearted - sort of)

@Gobbycop

So someone was arrested on suspicion of assault (not removing her mother from a care home) and subsequently de arrested.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Actually there is a hell of a lot to see here - maybe not this particular case - but it’s emblematic of the challenges and the tragedies associated with care homes and pandemic and the breaches of the human rights of the elderly (see the Amnesty International report on this).

My friend has asked if she can put a camera in the room so she can see her mum ( after a few issues) and they have refused.

So I should hope. If I were in this situation, I would utterly hate the thought that whoever had access to that camera feed could watch me at any time, even when I was being undressed and washed.

@Meadow1203

Metro news, Talk Radio and many others I have seen the video with my own eyes. I know it sounds so far fetched but sadly his is not a one off.

Someone being arrested for assault after assaulting someone is t a one off? Shocked.

Your OP has portrayed this rather differently than the facts of the case do.

@Aridane

I agree but that is a huge subject . And one very sad case is about a boy nicknamed “laughing boy” if you check his case out .

But this case is specifically about covid and care home managers and personally I think an organisation such as Age uk should be heading up an urgent proactive campaign to try and find a way forward that both protects the residents and considers families as well . But I don’t see an easy answer .

If the school rang you up and said your small child had COVID and they were taking them to the COVID unit at hospital and you wasn’t allowed to see them accept through a window maybe - you’d be ok with that?
That doesn't happen though.

I use a portal with my mum when I can’t see her ( not a care home ) but contact difficulty.

It does help .

@MoonJelly

Apologies.

@CaptainMyCaptain

I have read elsewhere (can't remember where) that they do not have power of attorney for the lady. She has particular nursing needs and social services are concerned for her welfare. The rand daughter is reputed to be an anti-lock down, anti-mask protester.

I don't know the true facts of the case but things are not always what they seem.

The granddaughter was on TV last night saying that they had PO A for finance but not for welfare.

So they only wanted the finance POA, did they:

I really wish @MNHQ would do more to stamp out harmful anti-mask/healthcare and conspiracy theories like QAnon on MN. It just makes the site look like even more of a breeding ground for rightwing radicalization.

There's a lot of naivety (or is it dishonesty?) in this thread.

When it comes to safeguarding, relatives obviously can't always be trusted to act in the best interest of their dependents, be they an old person or a child.

But the same could be said about "professionals" and institutions.
These do tend to be a lot better at covering their collective arses, though, so they can fail a lot of vulnerable people very badly for a very long time before any whistle-blower rings the alarm bell, and any inquiries ensues, and lessons be learnt, etc.

Blind faith in institutions (schools, hospitals, care homes, ...) can be lethal for the vulnerable people in their care. Nanny state does NOT know best. It's made of fallible people with a vested financial interests in their job being as easy as possible and their cock ups never, ever being picked up.

Allowing a care home to decide what's best for an old person sounds like an obvious conflict of interest: they have a clear financial incentive in keeping the person in and cashing in the care home fees.
Similarly relatives could have vested financial interests (e.g. if they are due to inherit).
Surely an independent third-party would be more suitable?

I certainly don't have "blind faith" in the system. I've been at the end of it with relations more than once.

However, a care home has clear legal and safeguarding procedures to follow. If there is a DOLS, for instance, that has to be followed.

And believe me, there are waiting lists for care home places. They have no problem filling them up!

@Kaiserin Do you know what a DOLS is? What the Court of Protection is and how it works? How Section 17 of the Mental Health Act works?

Don't you wonder why this daughter only has a Power Of Attorney for her mother's financial affairs, but not her health and care?

@Meadow1203

The video is appalling, what is wrong with people these days. Have you experience of dealing with an relative with Dementia and carehomes? I do in heaps

Good for you, but that doesn't mean people can assault care workers.

Unlike the NHS the government have limited powers over care homes because they are private businesses. Beyond their legal obligations they can operate their own policies. I don’t blame them for being cautious, we live in an increasing litigious society and they genuinely don’t want covid outbreaks. However, this is a real issue, it’s a shame they didn’t interview some more relatives with more balanced views as I thought the obvious bias clouded the very real issue of quality of life