Wokeness? Meaning?

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Can someone explain in simple English what 'wokeness' means?

justanotherneighinparadise

Thanks for the link it's spot on. My favourite comment underneath was about how overweight corgis with resource guarding issues were the furthest thing from funny.

@Quaagars

So you have to be woke to not be racist or not condone it No, woke seems to have many different meanings, you don't have to be woke to not be racist whatever woke means

No I'd say wokeness is when you carry it to extremes, such as pushing critical race theory and stating that all white people are inherently racist.

Thanks @Ineverdidmind. It’s interesting to know it’s one of Magdelen’s. I’ve heard a lot about her.

You consider them hilariously intolerant of different views and they think the same of the us you refer to.
I'm not bothered by what others believe. Yet again you're missing the point.

My issue with woke culture is the behaviour:

• the need to brand anyone outside their bubble as intolerant/bigoted
• the performative element (often with blatant hypocrisy)
• the claims of being liberal and tolerant, whilst evidently not being
• the willingness to try and silence people, start witch hints against people who say different things to the woke party line
• cancel culture and trying to push to have anyone they disagree with no platformed
• the fact the causes they're apparently passionate about seem to change based on whatever happens to be the bandwagon

Goosefoot
I see your point there actually.

Oh is THAT where it comes from, no wonder that's why FWR like using it so much and copying when they hear something they don't like lol

I dont think I am missing the point Lola. For example, much of what you have written in your 17:01 post could be equally applied to FWR on MN where "woke" is regularly used as an insult. It comes down to in-group diversity/ outside group homogeneity perceptions.

I dont think I am missing the point Lola. For example, much of what you have written in your 17:01 post could be equally applied to FWR on MN where "woke" is regularly used as an insult

Exactly

The vast majority of left wing people are not woke, just as the vast majority of right wing people are not qanon following conspiracy theorists.

If woke people want another term used for them then they should suggest one. The reason they don’t do is by not naming their views they can create the impression that theirs is the only way of opposing social inequality and everyone who disagrees with them is perpetuating it.

If they had to actually state they were adherents of critical race theory, queer theory etc, it would it make obvious it isn’t about caring more it is just about supporting ideology.

@ShowOfHands
Consciously right on.
So a concerted effort to appear on what you perceive to be the right side of history, in the right group, displaying the right values etc. Like a superficial veneer of morality designed to fit style over substance. Requires no critical thinking or deeply held beliefs, only a willingness to signal your own virtue.

This. Perfect. It should be the dictionary definition.

Mind so open your brain has fallen out must have been in use for at least 20 years!

If woke people want another term used for them then they should suggest one.

PC (Politically Correct) used to be the term for this kind of view. Why use the word 'woke'? It's just silly.

I don't subscribe to their views at all, but I honestly can't understand why the change from 'PC', which actually makes sense? 'Woke' just means 'woke up'.

They are not the same thing Mittens.

Mind so open your brain has fallen out must have been in use for at least 20 years!
That's true, it's been around for yonks. I've heard it attributed to Carl Sagan and EE Cummings.

@Stripesnomore Okay, so what is the actual difference between 'PC' and 'woke'? I also never heard the word 'woke' used as an adjective rather than a verb until about a year ago,

Because I'm bored I looked up the quote and Quote Investigator attributes it to Prof. Walter Kotschnig in 1940.

@DioneTheDiabolist

Mind so open your brain has fallen out must have been in use for at least 20 years! That's true, it's been around for yonks. I've heard it attributed to Carl Sagan and EE Cummings.

I used it once and got deleted... 🤷🏻‍♀️

It means not voting Conservative. At least that’s the impression I get here. And believing that racism exists.

@Mittens030869

If woke people want another term used for them then they should suggest one.

PC (Politically Correct) used to be the term for this kind of view. Why use the word 'woke'? It's just silly.

I don't subscribe to their views at all, but I honestly can't understand why the change from 'PC', which actually makes sense? 'Woke' just means 'woke up'.

Woke is originally a black American term meaning socially consciousness. Then white Brits got a hold of it and used it as an insult for anyone left of Boris Johnson. It’s lazy and tiresome. I got called woke for saying I thought G-d Save the Queen was a dirge, ffs. What has that got to do with blackness?

@PhilSwagielka If that's the case, then yes that's true of me. But I still hate the term with a passion, I mean what's the point of it??

Woke is originally a black American term meaning socially consciousness.

Thank you, that's very interesting. It's being badly misused in that case.

Being woke is about feeling enlightened about a particular issue (whatever that is) and declaring everyone who doesn't agree with them as intolerant (whilst also not seeing the irony of their own intolerance).

[quote Mittens030869]@PhilSwagielka If that's the case, then yes that's true of me. But I still hate the term with a passion, I mean what's the point of it??[/quote]
It’s just another term for PC.

I also don’t get all this stuff about identity politics. Is feminism identity politics? Or disability rights? Or pointing out the intersection between poverty and sex (such as working class women who’ve been harmed by austerity)? Am I being woke for not wanting to be treated like I’m thick because I’m autistic?

@MrsTerryPratchett

I think that one of the reasons people get frustrated is Trump. Bear with me. When the woke (and I'm talking about relatively priviledged young, white people) get caught in purity spirals and nothing but absolute adherence to the Party Line is acceptable, it means there is no debate. So some working class factory worker complains that the EU workers mean that his bosses pay less money and he gets called a xenophobe/racist and shut down. Some blue hair metaphorically spit-talks at him about how he's priviledged and needs to check his thoughts. Online, shaming him in front of everyone.

Or women concerned about the Cologne attacks.

Or my Church friends concerned that their priest will be legally forced to marry gay people if he doesn't think it's in the Church's laws.

Or parents in schools who are worried because they've heard their 4 yo will be taught about masturbation.

If these people are all told they are homophobes', racists, xenophobes, bigots, they WILL find someone to talk to. And that someone is Trump. Or Boris, or the Brexit Party or Breitbart or MN (this hotbed of violent transphobia). If they are told they are killing babies with their opinions they won't voice those opinions but will still vote with them. All the polls were wrong in the US because of this.

Open debate, even with people you don't agree with. Assuming that the other person has a valid point, even if it's not your point. Assuming that other people aren't all hateful, just scared, concerned, maybe working with faulty data. How can you talk to them about the actual facts if they have walked off after being insulted?

And worst of all, the woke often (not always) aren't the ones delivering food to the elderly or keeping the Church play group open. Or volunteering at the shelters over Christmas. Nope, that's the bigots. All those dreadful Trump voters in Texas who are evil scum. Lovely people in person. Not the red-hatted twats. The silent ones who just vote. So something has gone badly wrong.

Disclaimer: I have never voted right of centre and am in favour of the EU, immigration and equal marriage. I just don't think all the people with concerns are evil Nazis.

Most socialists would agree with the factory worker.

It's like this, all your life , it's been about you, and you never realized the things you do or say had an affect on others who are oppressed or hurt.

An example, you wore mink fur coat but never really pay attention how these animals are treated. Until one day you visited the farm and seen they were born in a cage to die for your fur. You stopped buying fur. That's being "woke" except most of the time it is race related.