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To think we need to find ways to improve people’s resilience

275 replies

thewitchesofprestwick · 02/11/2020 08:33

Already so many people are struggling with their mental health. Things are going to get worse for the economy and the physical health of the population, whether we lockdown or not. Jeremy Farrar of the Wellcome Trust indicated that we are out of good options. Then in the background we have the effects of climate change. How do we equip people to cope better day to day? AIBU to think that there is something we can all do?

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rookiemere · 03/11/2020 11:31

@Whitecottoncandy DCs aren't stupid though. They know exactly what the "I tried hard" sticker means at sports day. Mind you at least our private school had a junior sports day - my friends DD had a "multi sports fun session" with no winners or losers, drove my friend crazy. Thankfully she was able to get her into an athletics club where there were winners and losers.

TerribleLizard · 03/11/2020 12:04

@Whitecottoncandy
The point of growth mindset is that you are meant to value having tried hard, not easy wins. So you teach children to do their best, not that if you aren’t good at sport you shouldn’t bother trying, or if you aren’t a great reader straightaway, you persevere. One of the ways you do this is doing these things just for fun, and removing the competition, and small rewards for small achievable tasks. This actually teaches resilience and produces well rounded people who do things for their own value, rather than external reward.

FlyNow · 03/11/2020 12:25

It's tough because what do you suggest? I'm honestly not resilient at all, but my upbringing was everything suggested on this thread. School encouraged us to "try our best", even if you don't win etc. Parents weren't overly critical nor particularly encouraging, they didn't coddle me. No traumas happened, but nor was I rich and didnt live a pampered life.

So what happened? What should have been done differently, I really don't know.

Flaxmeadow · 03/11/2020 12:27

People’s resilience is through being financially cushioned, with good employment and life prospects and with a support network around them and quality of life. It’s very easy for people with those things in place to condescend to those who do not.

I agree to an extent but also find this condescending to the working class, the low waged and people on benefits

I come from a very working class area, just about everyone I know has had to struggle financially, including myself. I think though in a time of crisis we actually cope better, we have more resilience and stamina, than the middle class because we're used to it.

The amount of middle class hysteria on mumsnet at the thought of having to give up their privileges, turn the heating down, buy second jar d clothes, buy cheaper food, maybe have to take a trip to the job centre, a wage cut or even visit a food bank (shock horror!), in this oncoming recession is mind blowing to me. It's what everyday people have always had to to do anyway at some point

ginnybag · 03/11/2020 13:45

Flaxmeadow - I agree.

My childhood was a mess, in a lot of ways, and very much up and down, depending on what state my parents were in and who I was living with. It swung from riding lessons and holidays, new clothes and toys and books almost weekly, attending super selective schools, to unheated, overcrowded flats with no plaster on the walls, no working cooker, shoes that were falling apart, and back again. Looking back, it taught me a lot. It certainly taught me how to cope in multiple different environments and with different resources.

My husband, on the other hand, grew up very comfortable, and was never challenged or allowed to take any risk. He has no 'coping ability' at all, and anything even slightly adverse is a huge deal.

He's a lovely bloke and he loves our daughter to bits. But, in many ways, he's a source of stress, not a reduction of it, because he cannot plan, cannot cope in a crisis, cannot take ownership of an issue or effectively solve a problem. It means people avoid telling him 'negatives' or giving him challenges, because it's easier to just deal with everything without involving him. Even DD's started to spot it, and is starting to show that she won't lean on him unless she's made to. She's 10.

We've had times when he's gotten quite upset about not being asked to do things, and I've tried to push back and 'handover' tasks to complete but the reality is, whenever that happens, whatever it is proverbially proves the straw the broke the camel's back, and it all becomes a huge drama.

It can be draining, having to constantly gee him up, smooth his path, just listening to the man complain about what are minor inconveniences. They're not minor to him, because he's never been subject to a less than ideal environment, but to me - it's neither here nor there. That doesn't make me 'better' in any way - I'm well aware that what I would consider stressful, someone else would laugh at - but he is an extreme example.

And he is an example, I think, of why people are getting stroppy a bit, and starting to use words like 'snowflake' and 'lack resilience', because there seem to be a lot like him around, and its hard to listen to people catastrophising over the loss of a privilege others have never had.

The furlough scheme is the classic example. So many complaints about 'how are we going to cope' on the cap, and zero understanding that there are hundreds of thousands of families who could only dream of having that as their biggest challenge.

willowywillow · 03/11/2020 13:48

I think being adaptable is a key feature of resilience. Problem solving. Not getting bogged down in describing and defining a problem but actually being able to move on and find and work through a solution.

Personally I find the hardest part when you come up against a challenge is deciding upon a course of action. Indecision can be the most torturous bit of a challenging situation. Advice can help if you really don't know what to do but when it is conflicting or overbearing it can make challenges even worse. Once a decision is made everything becomes easier. You can actually move forward and progress. Remaining in a state of indecision can often be the hardest challenge of all but sometimes worth it if you are waiting upon pertinent information.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 03/11/2020 13:53

'And he is an example, I think, of why people are getting stroppy a bit, and starting to use words like 'snowflake' and 'lack resilience', because there seem to be a lot like him around, and its hard to listen to people catastrophising over the loss of a privilege others have never had.'

Exactly. If someone is struggling financially or if this situation has tipped them over the edge of course I would sympathise, but it's the people who for example will moan about the gym being shut but will not consider any other form of exercise as it does not fit their most specific requirements or some who seem proud of their glass half empty status.

Moan, whinge yes great get if off your chest but take some responsibility! I'm all for venting but look for the positives because unless you are in ICU hooked up to a ventilator there are positives.

willowywillow · 03/11/2020 13:56

It can be draining, having to constantly gee him up, smooth his path, just listening to the man complain about what are minor inconveniences. They're not minor to him, because he's never been subject to a less than ideal environment, but to me - it's neither here nor there. That doesn't make me 'better' in any way - I'm well aware that what I would consider stressful, someone else would laugh at - but he is an extreme example.

And he is an example, I think, of why people are getting stroppy a bit, and starting to use words like 'snowflake' and 'lack resilience', because there seem to be a lot like him around, and its hard to listen to people catastrophising over the loss of a privilege others have never had.

I think this type of behaviour can be a coping mechanism in some people. They have become very adept of getting people to do things for them! I purposely have raised my tolerance levels for badly completed tasks. I have developed tactics to make myself unavailable to be on the receiving end of this type of dramatic behaviour also. All in order to let someone complete a challenging (to them) task in order to raise their proficiency at it! It works, eventually...

Oliversmumsarmy · 03/11/2020 14:00

GetOffYourHighHorse

Plus we now know lockdowns don’t work. They just delay the inevitable and drag this disease out. So it is all for nothing

Yes but they “save the NHS”... allegedly

What don't people understand about the fact that if the nhs is full caring for those with covid that will have have a direct and critical effect on everyone's ability to access treatment for other issues. So not 'saving' per se but protecting its ability to cope with everyone presenting. 'Slowing the demand' if it's easier to understand

What don’t people understand that the NHS is not working and was never working properly.
Dp has cancer. (We had to fund his treatment and operation to remove the cancer because the NHS said no) we have no money left to carry on his treatment so he has had to resort to the NHS. We are now a year on from attempting to get a scan and a blood test and a consultants appointment. He did get the scan and blood test, but they lost his blood test so he had to go on for another blood test. He gave up after the 6th time they lost his blood test results.
He can’t get a consultants appointment without a blood test result.
This isn’t about the NHS being underfunded. They wasted money on 5 blood tests and now an outdated scan because of incompetence

We are told that the hospitals were over run in the first wave but the Nightingale hospitals were empty.
I know someone who worked in one of the Nightingales. They said they didn’t have anything to do.

Having been through the initial cancer treatment and when Dp has used the NHS for other issues he has, all we have seen is the amount of money the NHS wastes to produce a service that isn’t fit for purpose.

Chocowally · 03/11/2020 14:03

Building ‘resilience’ seems to have replaced using and sharing our community resources to ensure everyone is supported and has a basic level of decent living standard.

Going to the food bank every week isn’t going to build resilience. It’s going to take you down.

Decent services, access to healthcare, fairly paid jobs build resilience.

willowywillow · 03/11/2020 14:05

@Oliversmumsarmy, shit that's bad but not representative of the whole of the NHS, thankfully. I had prompt cancer treatment and follow up appointments pretty much every time I have wanted them.

willowywillow · 03/11/2020 14:07

So I wouldn't criticise the NHS too badly. My treatment would have bankrupted our family had we had to fund it ourselves. 3 ops, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, bone scans, ultrasounds, CAT scans, IV antibiotics and hospital stays,many consultations.

Ignoringequally · 03/11/2020 14:09

[quote willowywillow]**@Oliversmumsarmy, shit that's bad but not representative of the whole of the NHS, thankfully. I had prompt cancer treatment and follow up appointments pretty much every time I have wanted them. [/quote]
But that’s part of the problem... it’s a postcode lottery. It can’t be fit for purpose in some areas and not others.

ImEatingVeryHealthilyOhYes · 03/11/2020 14:12

Agree Chocowally I’m a bit of a self help addict and while helpful in some ways, I think that whole arena places the blame for being unhappy/not coping squarely on the individual.

In sounds more empowering than it is because it completely overlooks external circumstances. Probably to the point of being counterproductive for some people as making them feel worse.

willowywillow · 03/11/2020 14:12

@Ignoringequally, you're right but that doesn't mean it should be scrapped. Rather what works well should be recognised and repeated across the whole country.

willowywillow · 03/11/2020 14:59

In sounds more empowering than it is because it completely overlooks external circumstances. Probably to the point of being counterproductive for some people as making them feel worse.

I think this is because most outside help available tends to be restorative, wherever possible, in that is is designed to enable skills for independence rather than continued dependence. And rightly so otherwise people are being condemned to a life of dependency alongside the inevitable resulting reductions in autonomy and personal freedoms that dependency means. However, I think people can be incredibly naive concerning this. Restorative help does mean the person receiving it is expected to jump through the requisite hoops that this type of help requires as part of its success criteria. Tbh it is often far easier and altogether more liberating to find your own solutions over whatever challenging situation you find yourself in but sadly this is not always possible. Worth serious consideration, though.

ImEatingVeryHealthilyOhYes · 03/11/2020 15:06

Yes and I’ve been able to make great progress personally, but I think I was born with high levels of fighting spirit, but even so, had the trauma/abuse etc been worse, it could have broken me. No one’s totally unbreakable sadly

willowywillow · 03/11/2020 15:09

No one’s totally unbreakable sadly

Possibly true. However, I think it is up to the individual concerned to declare whether they are completely broken or not. No one else is truly qualified.

Sitt · 03/11/2020 16:36

There is a slight danger here of implying that children need to be abused or raised in poverty in order to achieve whatever definition of resilience is desired. I know that’s not what is intended, but there is something of an implication that anyone who had any level of luxury in their upbringing is incapable of developing “resilience”, which is patently untrue

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble · 03/11/2020 16:47

I don't think lockdown should be used as a measure of resilience tbh. It barely affected me ,bar some annoyance and some worry at a certain point about finances. That has nothing to do with my levels of resilience,and everything to do with my personality type (anti social,grumpy,lazy sod Grin).

But I could bang on about how awesome I am,how much better at staying home I was and all that bullshit and sneer at people that really struggled and are still struggling,completely ignoring it was down to pure luck. Or worse,sing lyrical out of my arse about the slow pace of life,smelling the flowers and watching the butterflies.

For a lot of people their already shit/dangerous situation got even worse.
For a lot of people their ok situation got shit.

That doesn't make them weak. It doesn't mean they lack resilience. It doesn't mean that they haven't been through worse or that when they will they won't cope.

It just means that in this moment,under their particular circumstances it was hard.

Would you tell an abused woman stuck at home with her abuser for 3 months to get some more resilience?

Would you tell someone who lost their job/home/life's savings to get more resilience?

Would you tell people that have been completely isolated for months to get more resilience?

A parent with a severe needs/disabled child and no respite?

A child in an abusive home? A child in a neglectful home?

A child who hasn't seen their other parent for months?

GetOffYourHighHorse · 03/11/2020 17:24

'Would you tell an abused woman stuck at home with her abuser for 3 months to get some more resilience? Would you tell someone who lost their job/home/life's savings to get more resilience?'

No. Neither would I tell anyone else on your list to 'get more resilience'.

However. The people without any of the problems you've highlighted, you know run of the mill people bored because they can't do a hobby, saying they have mental health problems because they may not be able to go to a party at Christmas, those people i would suggest need to quickly find some coping strategies.

PhilSwagielka · 03/11/2020 17:31

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'And he is an example, I think, of why people are getting stroppy a bit, and starting to use words like 'snowflake' and 'lack resilience', because there seem to be a lot like him around, and its hard to listen to people catastrophising over the loss of a privilege others have never had.'

Exactly. If someone is struggling financially or if this situation has tipped them over the edge of course I would sympathise, but it's the people who for example will moan about the gym being shut but will not consider any other form of exercise as it does not fit their most specific requirements or some who seem proud of their glass half empty status.

Moan, whinge yes great get if off your chest but take some responsibility! I'm all for venting but look for the positives because unless you are in ICU hooked up to a ventilator there are positives.

It was a throwaway remark and I said I had walking as an alternative for the gym being shut. I did not mean I was going to have a literal meltdown without a gym. I managed the first time around. I went for lots of walks. I found other stuff to do.

I’m really going to have to watch myself when I post cos people will jump on the slightest thing.

Jaxhog · 03/11/2020 17:32

Resilience is a mixture of self-confidence, the experience of overcoming hardships, learning what personal resources you have, etc. It is internal.

No amount of money, protection, or even robust support can give it to you. All they do is provide a cushion against a lack of resilience.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 03/11/2020 17:38

Resilience starts in childhood and that's where we need to start.

Encouraging children to take risks and accept failure.

Praising hard work and perseverance, not aptitude.

Making a child work at a hobby or skill they struggle at.

Demonstrating/modelling how to display a positive attitude towards problem solving and challenges.

Demonstrating/modelling how good planning and preparation can help, but also demonstrating staying calm in a crisis.

It's the little things - I realised I was losing it over daft stuff like missing keys and not setting a good example to my son. Now when ever a bad thing happens, no matter how minor, I try and react and show him resilience. I show/involve him in me using coping strategies: asking for help, stopping something and coming back to it later, looking for more information, drawing up a schedule/list, looking for silver linings, enjoying the unexpected, finding new ways to do things.

PhilSwagielka · 03/11/2020 17:42

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

Resilience starts in childhood and that's where we need to start.

Encouraging children to take risks and accept failure.

Praising hard work and perseverance, not aptitude.

Making a child work at a hobby or skill they struggle at.

Demonstrating/modelling how to display a positive attitude towards problem solving and challenges.

Demonstrating/modelling how good planning and preparation can help, but also demonstrating staying calm in a crisis.

It's the little things - I realised I was losing it over daft stuff like missing keys and not setting a good example to my son. Now when ever a bad thing happens, no matter how minor, I try and react and show him resilience. I show/involve him in me using coping strategies: asking for help, stopping something and coming back to it later, looking for more information, drawing up a schedule/list, looking for silver linings, enjoying the unexpected, finding new ways to do things.

Now this I can get behind. One thing we were told in PE was that effort mattered too. In a team game, you all have to pull your weight, for instance.